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 Post subject: Re: Value based topics - political, religious etc.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:49 am 
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So, my question is, can I be overtly racist toward a fictional group? I highly dislike the Mer aka Elves. Ugh. I'll do it without swearing!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:52 am 
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SquareRobot, the best way to find answers to your question is to PM Dark Lord or General, direct links are in the first post here.

Normally you couldn't do it as you have no post count, but I've added you to Confirmed users, so just fire off! And welcome to the Forum. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Value based topics - political, religious etc.
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Perhaps the best way to go about this is to allow philosophy but to discourage politics and religion.

Philosophy _can_ be done as a battle of wits with respect for each other.
Religion and political preference on the other hand tend to originate from (moral) convictions that can't (shouldn't?) be dissected beyond a certain point. Discussing them guarantees some/all parties get emotionally invested.


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Why does it seem we (humans) can't discuss the most important topics without coming to hate each other? I guess that's what makes them important.

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Religion is a lie. Coffee is our natural relationship with the Gods. Period.


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Ha... "you can talk about anything you want, as long as it doesn't really mean anything." Sounds just like the official Bethsoft forums. ;)

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But who knows what beliefs are facts and what facts are actually just well-convinced beliefs?


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Facts have evidence while beliefs are things we just spout regardless.


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But who truly knows that there is gravity on other planets? We call this a fact, but we truly do not know this.


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Gravity is caused by a mass attracting another mass, thus we know there is gravity anywhere where mass is present. Another fact is, presented by a propulsion engineer, that time is an abnormality caused by gravity. Meaning: no mass, no gravity, no time. Kind of interesting when you start to think of some spiritual realm... they have no mass, do they? Goes for God too... :shock:

I make the claim, the true realm of humans is not scientific = so called facts. People make their decisions based on values and feelings, all marketing and sales personal know this. I also make the claim that modern man isn't necessarily that knowing as he claims to be. There just might be a reality higher than we can perceive with our five senses? Perhaps the sixth one we lost once in the past?

I encourage to use your brains. Like X-Files stated, The truth is out there. :)

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*brofist*


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No need to be a jerk about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Value based topics - political, religious etc.
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sorry if I over stepped the mark I considered that playful banter.

Out of interest and for future reference which part did you find most distressing? The part where I explained what evidence is and why we need it, the defecating rainbows bit, the Tim Minchin video, or when I asked him to consider taking his own advice?

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 Post subject: Re: Value based topics - political, religious etc.
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I don't think General Grumble was a jerk or caused problems. I knew I made a weak point when not giving the name of the propulsion engineer... I have it somewhere in my bookshelf, but can't remember where. About the time issue, something can be found here: http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/in ... -3304.html. Besides gravity, the big issue is the light of speed - is it constant? It's a bit like the controversy about light otherwise; I'm a photographer, and I learned that the basics of optics teach that light can only be refracted, it cannot be bent. Well then, lately we have learned can light can be bent. And the speed of it? Latest measurement show that the speed would decrease --- meaning that the assumed increasing speed of the expansion of universe doesn't in fact take place, but is only visual illusion. Ha?

That's the problem with science: it's correct. It cannot accept that it may be wrong. Like in old days, Earth was the center. Then came Copernicus. And until these past days "scientists" have claimed that there is no water in space, whereas The Bible has proclaimed for thousands of years that there is. And now, finally, man found it.

Man's truth varies, truth doesn't. And I'm not preaching, or anything. Use your brains, folks. --- Don't believe me! 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Value based topics - political, religious etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:54 pm 
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I believe it goes like: "The more you know, the more you realise how much you don’t know — the less you know, the more you think you know."

Which by quoting the whole thing, answers your quote.


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Rackin' frackin' critics. :P


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Us literary types just can't get a break, eh?

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