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 Post subject: The Daedra in Skyrim..
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:48 am 
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This is my first time posting so hopefully it wont go to badly. Basically has anyone else noticed how in relation to Daedric quests in earlier games (particularly Oblivion) the Daedra seem to be losing quite a bit of their power in Mundus? In Oblivion every shrine had a group of devoted followers and there was loads of in game info about the different Daedra. But in Skyrim more than half of the Daedra seem to have no followers and their shrines have been desecrated or forgotten. Anyway I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on it. Is it meant to be a drop in Daedric popularity after the Oblivion crisis? Could it possibly be the world of Mundus slowly becoming more secular? Or did all the Daedra just think that with Alduin knocking about it might be best to leave Nirn to it for a decade or two? Or am I overthinking it?


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 Post subject: Re: The Daedra in Skyrim..
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:58 am 
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Ooh, good question! I think there are a couple answers for why the Princes appear less powerful in Skyrim than they do in the other games, all more or less true depending on how you choose to look at it.

My first guess is that the Nords have always been rather distrustful of the Daedra. Their original pantheon is very Aedric, Shor, Kyne, Mara, Stuhn, Tsun, etc. all being explicitly pro-mortal and pro-Mundus deities, and with the adoption of their Imperial names and Cyrodilic orthopraxy I doubt much changed in this regard. Herma-Mora does figure in some ancient Atmoran myths as an enemy of Ysgramor, but his depiction as a crafty trickster is not exactly one meant to inspire admiration.

I also imagine that being surrounded by the Daedra (and later, ALMSIVI) worshipping Dunmer in the west, the Ayleids in the south and Reachmen in the east soured the Nords' perception of the Princes. They are foreign Gods worshiped by milk-drinkers and savages and not the honourable Gods that await true Nords in the mead-halls of Sovngarde!

Another factor, like you mentioned, is probably the Oblivion Crisis. The Nords already seem to have a cultural distrust of anything magical, and I imagine Daedric portals opening across the land would make local groups of Daedra-worshippers an easy target for mob justice, deservèd or not. Although unless I'm mistaken, Daedra worship was already outlawed under the Septim and perhaps Mede Empires. I think ESO: Greymoor also explains how Meridia's temple on Mount Kilkreath fell into disrepair during the Second Era. And perhaps Princes like Mephala and Nocturnal simply like the shadows.

A final reason might be the nature of Akatosh/Martin's relationship with Nirn after their victory over Mehrunes Dagon at the Temple of the One. I think that they somehow replaced the Amulet of Kings and Dragonfires as the lynchpin for the barrier between Mundus and Oblivion, thus permanently shutting out Daedra without someone to conjure them. And you'd have to be either really desperate or really cocky to summon a Daedric Prince!

Anywho, sorry for the rather long response and welcome to the UESP forums :sweetroll: :-D :sweetroll: :-D


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