Daggerfall:Items

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Contents 1 Misc. Items 2 Shields and Helmets 3 Cheap Items 4 Good Places to Sell Items 4.1 Alik'ra desert 4.2 Rusty relics 5 Computing Item Prices 5.1 Material Price Modifiers 5.1.1 Notes on Material Multipliers: 5.2 Base Item Prices 5.2.1 Notes on Base Prices: 5.3 Magical Properties Modifiers 5.3.1 Notes on Spells: 6 More Notes on Item Prices

[edit] Misc. Items

There are many items in Daggerfall which either appear to have a purpose but don't, or don't appear to have a purpose but do.

• Light type objects, candles, lanterns, torches etc... are useless and can be sold at a general store or pawn shop.
• Holy tomes, holy daggers, and other objects don't appear to have any value other than for selling.

These items, although they cannot be equipped, will sometimes carry enchantments. When this is the case, they can be used directly from your inventory.

• Bandages don't appear to have any real use, but apparently if you sleep with one in your inventory when you wake up it will be gone. Not sure if it actually helps heal you or not.

Some quests require finding a particular object in a dungeon. I have sometimes missed the object as it wasn't familiar.

• Auriels Shield - A dull metal plate floating in air.
• Finger - A large object which looks more like a bed roll. Was evidence in a missing persons case.
• Ingredients - These will look just like they do in your inventory except perhaps a bit bigger and brighter. Usually hard to miss.
• Small Statue Sitting on Dungeon Floor: If you click on it it makes a funny noise and opens one of the red teleport doors. Go see if this happens.

[edit] Shields and Helmets

The shields and helms in Daggerfall don't appear to be labelled with the appropiate material. i.e., an admantium helm will appear as just 'a helm', similarily with shields. To tell what quality a shield or a helm is, use the info feature in the inventory screen. This will tell you the weight and armor bonuses of the shield/helm. The shields also seem to be the proper color (i.e., a dwarven shield is yellow) and seems to be another way of determining the shield type. Similarily with the helmets, i.e., a daedric helmet will be red.

[edit] Cheap Items

Several people have noticed that the magical items bought in the mages guild are much cheaper than usual. For example, the list price of a daedric longsword of obvilion is around 7,000 gold, compared with a price of around 40-50,000 for a regular daedric longsword found in a shop. The only possible downfall of buying these cheap items, is that they are already enchanted. You will have to find a normal pair in dungeons or a shop if you wish to custom enchant a set.

[edit] Good Places to Sell Items

[edit] Alik'ra desert

A general comment about making money. I've discovered that no matter what I have to sell, I get more money for it by taking it to the Alik'ra desert somewhere and selling it. For instance, a holy tome worth 2500 gp may net you about 1000 - 1200 gp somewhere else, but in the desert it's value is almost double and you'll get 2300 - 2400 gp for it. I've actually sold some things in the desert for more than they were worth elsewhere. Especially good are any holy tomes, holy candles, stuff like that. Some of the better ingredients are worth a bunch there too.

It appears that items sold in the desert give you around 78% more retail value than elsewhere.

[edit] Rusty relics

There are several kind of shops in Daggerfall from the items' quality point of view. You recognize them thanks to the short description which popups when your character enters the place.

When you want to sell, try to find the worse shop, the one with mice running on the floor:

Rusty relics lie wherever they were last tossed. All the wares show the cracks and chips of shoddy workmanship. A mouse scampers over your feet before burrowing into a nearby sack.

You will sell at high prices here. That is somewhat logical: the shop is that bad because the shopkeeper is not an efficient merchant. But there is little hope for you to find daedric dai katanas inside.

[edit] Computing Item Prices

I've long been wanting to figure out how DF computes its item prices, mostly armor and weapons so I can figure out exactly how much all my magical items are worth (there seems to some bug in the game such that all magical items can only be sold for _much_ less than their worth, a daedric cuirass of force bolt for 4000 gold, I don't think so).

[edit] Material Price Modifiers

First, the price modifications of the various materials for armor and weapons. It works like this:

Non-Magical Item Price = (Base Item Price) * (Material Modifier)

The (Base Item Price) here would be the price of the leather version of the item (for weapons the leather and chain versions obviously don't exist but for the sake of simplicity we'll assume they do). The material modifiers are as follows.

Material	Price Multiplier	Color
Leather	1	Brown
Chain	2	Silver
Iron	3	Dark Grey
Steel	6	Grey
Silver	12	Silver
Elven	24	Silver
Dwarven	48	Yellow
Mithril	96	Blue
Adamantium	192	Dark Grey
Ebony	384	Black
Orcish	768	Green
Daedric	1536	Red

[edit] Notes on Material Multipliers:

These values computed by basic trial method by selling/buying various items at a variety of stores. Prices used are the ones displayed in the upper left corner above your character potrait.

The prices of items vary by as much as 20% depending on an unknown variable (reputation relative to storekeeper?). The price flucates independantly of store quality (stores of same quality can have vastly different prices), and item quality. One can assume this is a random fluctuation and not worry about it too much (ex: the range of the daedric multiplier could actually range anywhere from around 1000-2000). Take the above values to be the average multiplier.

[edit] Base Item Prices

In order for one to calculated the price of any armor/weapon one needs to know not only the material multiplier (above), but the base price of the item. This base price is simply the price of the leather item. For weapons, which don't have a leather material we take the price of the iron weapon and divide by three to get the base price.

[edit] Notes on Base Prices:

The base price of items flucates as much as 20% from store to store. The price also fluctuates according to which region you're in. As such, the above values are _mostly_ average item prices from a large variety of stores (where possible). They probably won't be 100% the same as the prices you get with your character since the price most likely depends on the mercantile skill (mine's at around 70%) and reputation with merchants.

The prices here are the ones seen above your character's picture at the left when you're selling/buying. The actual selling price will of course be much less but with a good reputation, the worst quality store, personality and mercantile skill you can get up to 70% of this price when you sell items. On the contrary, if you pick your store poorly the selling price may drop to as little as 25% (or so).

[edit] Magical Properties Modifiers

The cost of a magical item will be the sum of the object price and the sum of all magical properties on the item.

Magical Item Price = (Item Price) + (Bound Souls) + (Magic #1) + (Magic #2) + ....

The item price can be calculated from the descriptions written above. The price of bound souls can be found above on this page. The magical properties prices can be found below and are deduced from visiting the mages guilds a few times. The values appear to remain constant and are not affected by rep, Personality, etc... There are no prices for adding any of the disadvantages to an item (other than the cost of buying a bound soul). One may also note that the required enchantment points for a spell/effect is equal to the price of the enchantment divided by 10.

Spell Enchanting Costs

Spell Name	Enchant Cost (gp)		Spell Name	Enchant Cost (gp)
Balyna's Antidote	9300		Chameleon	2100
Charisma	12000		Cure Poison	10200
Energy Leech	12600		Far Silence	22900
Fireball	4700		Fire Storm	8400
Force Bolt	30300		Fortitude	12000
Free Action	16500		God's Fire	17500
Hand of Decay	18300		Hand of Sleep	7800
Heal	3600		Ice Bolt	9900
Ice Storm	14200		Invisibility	5400
Iron Will	12000		Jack of Trades	12000
Levitate	3300		Light	2500
Lightning	7600		Magica Leech	9300
Medusa's Gaze	21400		Nimbleness	12000
Open	9000		Orc Strength	12000
Paralysis	16200		Recall	4800
Resist Cold	15600		Resist Fire	15600
Resist Poison	16500		Resist Shock	15600
Shadow Form	1500		Shalidor's Mirror	19300
Shield	10400		Shock	3800
Silence	15300		Slowfalling	2400
Spell Drain	13000		Spell Reflection	17200
Spell Resistance	12300		Spell Shield	19800
Sphere of Negation	42300		Stamina	1300
Strength Leech	4800		Tongues	15900
Toxic Cloud	10200		Troll's Blood	9200
Vampiric Touch	13800		Water Breathing	1700
Water Walking	1700		Wildfire	10200
Wisdom	12000		Wizard's Fire	4800
Wizard Lock	17400		Wizard Rend	16100

[edit] Notes on Spells:

The enchanting cost for spells is the same regardless of the type of spell, ie, whether cast when strikes, held, or used (although most spells are available only in one catagory).

Other Enchanting Costs

Enchantment Name		Enchant Cost (gp)
Extra Spell Points	Per Season	5000
	Per Moon Phase	2000
	Near Undead	7000
	Near Daedra	8000
	Near Humanoids	9000
	Near Animals	10000
Regenerate Health	All the Time	40000
	In Sunlight	30000
	In Darkness	30000
Potent vs.	Undead	9000
	Daedra	9000
	Humanoids	10000
	Animals	12000
Vampiric Effect	at Range	20000
	When Strikes	10000
Increased Weight Allowance	+25%	4000
	+50%	6000
Improves Talents	Hearing	5000
	Athleticism	6000
	Adrenaline Rush	6000
Good Rep With	Each Groups	10000
	All	50000
Repair	-	9000
Absorbs Spells	-	15000
Enhances Skill	All Skills	9000
Feather Weight	-	1000
Strengthens Armor	-	7000

[edit] More Notes on Item Prices

Sometimes, you just have more items than you can carry, even if you have a wagon. This is especially true when you are fighting inside a big dungeon like castle daggerfall, wayrest, sentinel, etc. You just can not go outside to unload stuff onto your ship. Then what items do you put on the wagon? Elven mace, leather pauldron, daedra's heart or a book. If you have space left for the wagon, pick up all loot by all means. But, when you have more than you can carry, which item should you take and which to discard? From a mathematics point of view, if all you care is to sell all these items, you should put items having the highest cost (in Gold Piece - GP ) per kilogram (kg) on your wagon. In other words, get the most expensive items pound-for-pound, on your wagon. You should take two 1 k.g. items, each having a cost of 15, instead of one 2 kg. item cost 20. Obviously, you must carry your Quest items, and powerful weapons. If you wish to use one item, always carry it. If you just wish to sell it for Gold, you can use the tables below for guidence. Books, clothes, and potion ingredients already have the weight and cost descriptions on them. But weapons and armors have only weight description. So how do you decide what to take ?

	Armor Bonus	Bonus to Damage	Cost	Weight	Cost/Weight Ratio
Leather	+2	-	X 1	X 1	X 1 (X 1.4 ?)
Chain	+5 ?	-	X 2	X 2	X 1 (X 1.4 ?)
Iron	+6	-2	X 4	X 2	X 2
Steel	+8	+0	X 8	X 2.5	X 3.2
Silver	+8	+0	X 16	X 2.5	X 6.4
Elven	+10	+2	X 32	X 2	X 16
Dwarven	+12	+4	X 64	X 1.5	X 42.7
Mithril	+14	+6	X 128	X 2	X 64
Adamantium	+14	+6	X 256	X 2	X 128
Ebony	+16	+8	X 512	X 1	X 512
Orcish	+18	+10	X 1024	X 2	X 512
Daedric	+20	+12	X 2048	X 2.5	X 819.2

From math, it states the cost ratio of Leather and Chain are both X 1. But my personal experience indicates that, if you use X 1.4 instead of X 1 for the cost ratio of Leather and Chain, the items prices found using the formula below will be much closer to actual prices. The base price is based on iron items.

The armor bonus shown is in additional to the protection of the armor itself. All seven pieces ( helm, boot, gauntlet, cuirass, greaves, left/right pauldron) provides a protection of +1. The material bonus is in additional to that protection. So Elven greaves provides protection of +11, +1 from greaves itself, +10 from armor bonus. For weapons, the material bonus is in addition to the base damage mentioned on manual page 60-61. If you are careful, you can figure out most of the table above by yourself. Also, you can figure out the values for bows and axes on page 60-61 are incorrect. Shield is a total different animal. All shields of the same kind (Tower, Kite) provide the same protection. The armor bonus of material is not added to shield protection, though the weight modifier is. The largest differences in materials for shields are resiliency and enchantment points, which can be a major factor.

Below is a table listing the base price in cost (GP) per weight (kg) of all weapons and armors. Use it in conjunction with the table above to determine the cost per kg of items made from other material. The formula is :

item price ( in GP/kg. ) = (Base price in GP/kg) * (item material cost ratio) / (Base material cost ratio)

For example, you wish to know how much a Dwarven Saber is worth. You look up the table, and found Iron saber worth 12 GP / kg. You look up the cost ratio of Iron be 2, and that of Dwarven be 42.7, so you have 12 * 42.7 / 2 = 256.2 GP/kg. Then you look up for Elven Helm. You get 170 * 16 / 2 = 1360 GP/kg. So, you know, pound for pound, Elven Helm is worth much more than Dwarven Saber. Similarly, you will found that Leather Pauldron (130 * 1.4 / 2 = 91) is worth more than Elven Mace ( 9 * 16 / 2 = 72 ), pound for pound.

If you don't have the time to do all the tedious calculation, here is some rules of thumb :

• Armors of one material, in general, are worth more than most weapons of the next two higher metal.
• Cuirass is worth considerably less than other armor of similar material.
• Katana and Bows are worth much more than other weapons of similar material.
• Daggerfall has a classic Supply and Demand pricing structure. Very Rare Items (the only one found so far in the entire game, made from either silver or Orcish), sometimes can fetch up to 10 times their worth from this table. As you sell more items, the price of similar armors and weapons will drop. The table describes more or less the average price.
• The money you get depends on a lot of factors (merchant skill, region, reputation, quality, etc.) but the relative cost between weapons change little.
• Tower Shield and Kite Shield are the cheapest metal items pound-for-pound. Unless they are made from special material, take anything else to fill up your wagon. Round shield and Buckler fare slightly better. They are on the order of mace, and are not very cost effective either.
• All price are estimate. Error of 50% on prices for each individual sale are common, considering all the conditions above. If you found more useful pricing formula, please inform me.

The table is in decreasing order of price pound-for-pound.

Item (Using Iron)	Cost (GP/kg)
Gauntlets	200
Helm	170
Greaves	140
Pauldron	130
Boots	110
Dai-Katana	60
Long Bow	56
Katana	45
Short Bow	43
Cuirass	34
Wakazashi	22
Tanto	19
Claymore	16
Long Sword	14
Battle Axe	14
Saber	12
War Hammer	12
Dagger	11
Staff	11
War Axe	11
Short Sword	10
Mace	9
Flail	8
Broad Sword	8