Daggerfall talk:Monsters

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What is the deal with Orcs (Warlords, shamams, etc.)? Were they just orcs (the race), hostile with different classes? Or did they not have orcs as a race in DF?—Sam324 11:02, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Orcs were not a playable race in either Arena or Daggerfall (neither were Imperials). In Arena, they were nothing but hideous, weak monsters to kill (Oo, racism!). In Daggerfall, they are a lot stronger and uglier, but the game treats them with more respect. AlcaeusTheWizard 01:07, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Pronounciation of Lich

Hmm, I noticed we have said that Lich is pronounced "Lick", due to its being of german origin. Simply: It's not. A german ch is basically un-"write"able in the english text. I'm sure that Benould will understand what I mean here. - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 15:47, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Yep, to say that "-ch" in german is pronounced "k" is incorrect. As for how to pronounce lich in English, multiple sources that I checked all said that it rhymes with witch. Or more formally, the IPA pronunciation is "lɪʧ". See, for example, wiktionary (which also has a handy "rhymes with" feature). My printed dictionaries provide the same pronunciation. I give my printed dictionaries and wiktionary a lot more credibility than thefreedictionary.com, especially given that the freedictionary's first definition of the word is that it is an adjective meaning "like". --Nephele^Talk 16:51, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Another ding against freedictionary: it claims that its source for the information is Webster's. But one of my printed dictionaries is Webster's... where it most definitely does not say that lich is an adjective meaning "like" and does not say that the pronunciation is "līk". So that information is as good as made up. --Nephele^Talk 16:58, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

It's one of those things that keeps coming up in geekdom. I remember having arguments about this whilst playing D&D two decades ago... It's definitely pronounced to rhyme with witch though. And I was right back then too ;) –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 01:50, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

That's the thing. It's not pronounced like witch either... I have not idea how I'd put it; sorry if I'm unhelpful... - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 09:22, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

In German it's not pronounced like witch. But we're interested in the English pronunciation here, which is like witch. --Nephele^Talk 13:22, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, I'm still pretty sure it's not, but that's just my opinion. Do you pronounce Taglietelle "Tag-lee-tell-eh"? No, because although it is an english word, it comes from the italian language and we keep the italian pronounciation. Another thing is, I've come up with a way to explain the german pronouniation. Just like we don't say "Lotch Ness" we say "Loch Ness", same principle and pronounciation with Lich. - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 13:38, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Some words in English continue to be pronounced the same way as in the source language; other words end up being pronounced differently in English. For example, "Paris" in English is not pronounced the same way as "Paris" in French despite the fact that the English word unquestionably comes from the French one. The pronunciation guides used in dictionaries make it clear that in English, lich is not pronounced using the german -ch sound. As I already stated, the IPA pronunciation key is "lɪʧ". The "ʧ" key corresponds to a "-tch" sound, which is clear by looking at the list of words that rhyme with lich. The IPA key for the german-type -ch is "x". For example, loch is pronounced "lɒx"; lich is not in the list of words that rhyme with loch --Nephele^Talk 13:57, 5 May 2008 (EDT)