Lore talk:Akavir

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AKAVIR ISN'T IN TAMRIEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, but seeing as we know so little about it, it seems silly for it to have its on namespace, as it would contain only this page. What about renaming the tamriel namespace Nirn, although it would take a hell of a lot of work. I reckon just leave it. Its to small a problem to justify the effort in my view. -Lordsword 8 11:09, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Actually, there's been some informal discussion about whether to rename "Tamriel" to "Lore". If we're going to rename it, "Nirn" wouldn't really even work since there's an article on Masser, for example. As you say, any renaming would be a pretty huge effort, although NepheleBot makes it much more feasible. At some point, it's an idea that might get proposed. --Nephele^Talk 11:31, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

There are rumors going around that TES5 will be based in Akavir if that is the case it would by all means be its own namespace but as for now nothing really needs to be done.I just wanted to spread the rumor because it was somewhat relevant.--Most Honored Listener 19:18, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

I think the best course of action would just to be to wait until we know for sure what TES5 is all about. If it is in fact in Akavir, then we would have a good justification to change the name. But for now, we might as well just leave it. --JB 17:28, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

Contents 1 Major Edit 2 Thought about Akavir 3 A serious (Perhaps dumb) question 4 Specification 5 Japan

[edit] Major Edit

A few things I would like to ask:

• When editing I wanted to add the content window, but couldn't find any tips on how to
• How do you add links for books?
• Is this to much lore? I thought it might be a bit much , but decided to just go with it

Saun - Dowh 21:49, 14 August 2007

[edit] Thought about Akavir

Is it possible that the Akaviri are actually men? Much like the Imperials except based on the Japanese? Since men and mer can wear the Akaviri gear without looking too wrong or different other than looking like samurai, it can't be a far off idea. I saw an ghost Akavir in the pale pass. He looks like an imperial. Maybe it is because imperials are the closest possible race to Akaviri. Why else would their influence expand so much to affect Tamriel Emperor's own bodyguards if they weren't human-like? As seen in the Mysterious Akavir, it is an inaccurate documentation of the races available in Akavir. We cannot assume that Akavir is really a dreadful place. Since no other book i've seen references these other "races", i'm thinking they're non-existent. I dunno, you guys might have read something i haven't. If you have, and you share? -Postcardsaremine 03:14, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Possibly some. As it says, there were once men in Tamriel. But Mysterious Akavir isn't the only book to make mention of them as snakelike- the 2920 series does so as well, as do several historical accounts. As for the Ghost General, his appearance was more than likely due to engine limitations- it wouldn't make sense to go through all the trouble of cooking up an Akaviri model for just one guy, not to mention he's dead.

The Men who lived in Akavir were all eaten. I do not recall when this occurred, however, the current population of Akavir consists of several groups of half humanoids. The Tsaesci are the Snake-men, which I imagine as mermaid-like creatures (snake bodies, but thats the picture in my head). The upper half of these creatures would allow them to use swords and regular man-armor. The Blades perhaps were formed or conceived during the 400 year rule of the Potentate from Akavir. Their fortress, armor, and weapons are influenced by the Akaviri no doubt, perhaps of the era when men still survived there.

If an ES game goes there, I imagine there would be few surviving groups of men, perhaps hiding in ruins or mountains, but the primary people would not be full bipedal creatures.

See this study 86.141.83.59 18:31, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

So I would say there are some men left in Akavir but they are now part of the Tsaesci culture, also the above edit was mine but i wasn't signed in :) Ben X X2 18:38, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

[edit] A serious (Perhaps dumb) question

Being that Tamriel is in many references considered its own entity with no mention of other "continents", and seeing as how Mankar Camoran labels Tamriel as a plane of Oblivion all its own, is it then fair to conclude that Akavir is part of a different plane, yet somehow occupying the same planet as Tamriel? How exactly would this make sense then, seeing as how the Empire battled the Akaviri in earlier ages while the Dragon Fires were lit? Does this throw out the idea that Tamriel is its own plane, and perhaps suggest that many historical books providing stories of the world's creation were written before knowledge of this continent? Perhaps Akavir is a chunk of tamriel that broke off (continental drift?) I'd like some thoughts on this, maybe I'm missing something. 209.134.75.234 20:07, 25 May 2008 (EDT)Darth Shrute

Okay, Tamriel and Akavir are NOT separate planes. They are both continents occupying their planet, Nirn. Continental drift is possible too. You must also understand, on the other hand, that Tamriel also contains other continents, including Thras, Pyandonea, Yokuda, and maybe even Aldmeris. Of course, It is impossible to tell, unless Bethesda says it themselves.-Puddle 20:19, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

While what you say makes sense, I think theres something left unclear about the nature of Nirn and the universe. The descriptions of the mythic age sound like fairy tales and Im not sure if we are supposed to take the creation story literally from "A Children's Anuad". Mankar Camoran clearly states that "Dawn's Beauty" (aka Tamriel) is the realm of change, the birthright of Mehrunes Dagon, the creation of Lorkhan. If we are to believe that, then this leaves the "Dragon Land" (aka Akavir) as a completely different entity. They were never the same. Considering that every man-species has emigrated to Tamriel and changed it and fought, it makes sense this is the realm of change. A realm for mortals. Akavir isolates itself from the influence of outsiders, so much so that it eats or enslaves those that do not belong. The weather itself tries to destroy anyone who would come to Akaviri shores. Its inhabitants are immortals (for the most part).

This "continent" is the opposite of change, and while Tamriel is continually contested ground (as per its nature) Akavir remains mysterious, secure, and mostly undisturbed. I really hope the game creators figure out a way to shed more light on this in a definitive way. Perhaps others are already satisfied with a simple interpretation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.134.75.234 (talk • contribs).

Couldn't all this be explained by the Nirn creation story? If Akavir and Tamriel came from different worlds before forming Nirn, then being identified as different planes isn't too far-fetched...

Akaviri isn't an opposite- it is actually a lot like Nirn. They have a similar collection of races with mutually antagonistic histories and clashing viewpoints on the nature of the universe. Tosh Raka turned himself into Dragon and attacked the Tsaesci, who see the world in a similar light as the elves of Nirn. Some have suggested that Akavir is a literal sister continent of Nirn, a myth echo.71.244.115.20 22:21, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Specification

Shouldn't we add an 'IN OBLIVION' to that little note about the Nerevarine?--Juz(not logged in)

[edit] Japan

Does anyone else think that it's worth mentioning how similar akavir weaponry and architecture is heavily based off of feudal Japan?

No, it is not worth it. The parallel is too obvious to be worth mentioning, and on the off chance that a reader has not noticed the similarity, informing them would not contribute to their understanding if the subject in any valuable way.Temple-Zero 20:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)