Lore talk:Altmer Names

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LotR Names[edit]

I find it highly amusing that the random name-generator for Arena and Daggerfall was clearly designed such that it can produce "Gandalf", "Sauron", and "Sarumon". That has to be intentional. Just one or two might be a coincidence, but all three? This might be easter-egg worthy... — TheRealLurlock (talk) 02:21, 8 April 2013 (GMT)

There is legolas and aragorn for bosmers aswell. probably others when im finished. — Kimi the Elf (talk | contribs) 02:22, 8 April 2013 (GMT)
Found "Gondore" in the Breton names - of course it's one extra letter, and that's a place rather than a person, but still maybe significant. Also found "Morganna" in the female Breton names, which is not from LotR but the King Arthur legends. I wonder how many more names like that are hidden in there. It's pretty clear they took some real names and split them up in order to come up with their prefixes and suffixes. I did see some ordinary common names in there as well, like "Barbara", "Cassandra", "Edward", "Theodore", etc. Not as interesting as the LotR names, but it does give you some insight into how they built the system... — TheRealLurlock (talk) 02:42, 8 April 2013 (GMT)
Also found "Mordore" in the male Breton names and looking at the Argonian names I also found some interesting ones such as Heracles, Caligula and Germanicus. Elakyn (talk) 11:52, 8 April 2013 (GMT)
Yeah, the Argonian names were a bit of a shock - all based on ancient Romans. You'd have expected that for the Imperials, but of course they weren't a playable race until Morrowind. Modern Argonian names are completely different from the AR/DF ones. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 13:45, 8 April 2013 (GMT)
Some familiar names among the Dunmer too - "Helseth", an actual ES-lore name for once, "Lilith", and interestingly "Nephelle". I'd wonder if that's where she got it from, except that I know that it's also the name of the goddess of clouds, which she studies for a living. Coincidence? — TheRealLurlock (talk) 13:55, 8 April 2013 (GMT)

The Camorans[edit]

Shouldn't the Camorans' names be removed? Last I checked, they're actually supposed to be Bosmer, but they were presented as Altmer in Oblivion because Bosmer were too short and funny-looking to feel threatening. 109.153.131.239 20:02, 30 July 2013 (GMT)

The Camorans are unrelated (as far as I know) from the Camarons, who are the kings in Valenwood (at one point at least). The names are spelled differently. Jeancey (talk) 20:11, 30 July 2013 (GMT)
I didn't know there was a difference, I don't know much about TES pre-Morrowind. 109.153.131.239 20:14, 30 July 2013 (GMT)

Aringoth[edit]

Should it be noted that Aringoth is bugged and was actually intended to be a Bosmer, and that, as a result, the name "Aringoth" is technically a Bosmer name, not an Altmer name? Elymdor (talk) 13:49, 2 March 2014 (GMT)

That 'Bug' is only pov. Perhaps the real bug is Bethesda forgetting to change the dialogue referring to him. Its best to use the game data, that way there is no ambiguity. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 14:01, 2 March 2014 (GMT)
That is possible. However, I would like to add that Aringoth is the only "Altmer name" ending in "oth". Here is the list of Bosmer names ending in "oth": Brithroth, Elberoth, Eloroth, Fargoth, Galthragoth, Glonagoth, Enilroth. I think that both the fact that he is referred to as a Bosmer in-game, and the fact that his name is typically Bosmer (and atypically Altmer) are convincing enough to suggest where the real bug lies. Elymdor (talk) 19:52, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

Error String exceeds 1000 character limit[edit]

I guess someone should do something about that. * Looks like it works now. — Unsigned comment by 185.5.8.142 (talk) at 10:28 on 30 April 2017

It had actually been fixed a little over an hour before you posted. Anonymous users get much more heavily cached results to cut down on traffic from search engines and the like, so you probably just got a copy that was stuck in the cache the first time around. Thanks for reporting it, though! Robin Hood  (talk) 18:10, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Missing names[edit]

In the list for Altmer names of Morrowind, Nalcarya seems to be missing. For reference she has a potion and ingredient shop in the manor district of Balmora and the Thieves Guild sends you there on your first mission. — Unsigned comment by 162.247.228.27 (talk) at 04:56 on 1 August 2018‎‎

She is there, are you sure you looked in the female section? —Dillonn241 (talk) 05:08, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
OK. Scratch that. I didn't know the names were categorized first by gender so I forgot to scroll down. Sorry. — Unsigned comment by 162.247.228.27 (talk) at 22:35 on 2 August 2018‎

Altmer names in TES II: Daggerfall[edit]

While going over the Recent Changes page, I noticed that Mannimarco and Medora Direnni have recently been removed from the list of Altmeri names in Daggerfall. While it is not stated in the game Daggerfall that Mannimarco is an Altmer (not that I remember, at least), I would argue that the fact that he clearly appears as an Altmer (and never as a member of any other mortal race) in later Elder Scrolls games makes it evident that he also is an Altmer in Daggerfall. Medora Direnni is a different case altogether, because she is a Breton in Daggerfall, and the Direnni clan is only later classified as an Altmeri clan. As such, I would argue that Mannimarco's name should be put back in the list of Altmeri names in Daggerfall, whereas it might be better if that of Medora Direnni is indeed left out of this list, and is instead added to the list of Breton names in Daggerfall. I obviously don't mind doing this myself, but I wanted to put this matter up for discussion before taking any actions. Aegithalos (talk) 16:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree on Medora. The reason I removed Mannimarco from the list of Altmer names in Daggerfall is that the character you're thinking of is never actually named "Mannimarco" in Daggerfall but only "King of Worms". The use of the name "Mannimarco" for the King of Worms begins in Morrowind. And like you said, the King of Worms is never actually shown to be a High Elf. In fact, he is defined to be a Redguard in the game's internal data (if you prod him enough, he may exclaim "By Divad!" or some other Redguard saying). Overall, these are my reasons for not considering "Mannimarco" a High Elf name in Daggerfall. LudwigC (talk) 16:58, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, LudwigC, for the clarification. I understand why you removed Mannimarco's name from the list now, so I shan't put it back. And, since you agree with me on Medora, I'll add her name to the list of Breton names in a bit. Aegithalos (talk) 17:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Sure thing! Might be good to put in some of the other Breton royal names from Daggerfall; I can help with that. LudwigC (talk) 20:40, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
That sounds like an excellent idea! Perhaps there are also nobles from other races with unique names that are still missing from the Names page. I'll start by adding a few names in a bit and might do more when I have time later today; great that you can help with this. Edit: While looking for unique names from Daggerfall to add to the page, I noticed that there are several nobles whose name starts with Lord or Lady (e.g. Lady Northbridge). Although some of these names, like Northbridge and Darkworth, sound like they can only be surnames (as they would make for some very strange first names in my opinion), others, like Vhosek, are a bit more neutral in this regard. As such, I am unsure whether I should add these names to the list of surnames or to the list of first names. Any thoughts on this matter? Aegithalos (talk) 18:39, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Good question! You're right about the ambiguity. We have, for instance, Brisienna, who is referred to both as "Lady Brisienna" and as "Lady Magnessen". For monarchs, it's always "King [First Name]" since they tend not to take a surname (both IRL and in Daggerfall), but it gets harder to tell when you're looking at dukes, counts, lords, etc. May be better to err on the side of caution there. Northbridge and Darkworth are surely surnames, but Vhosek is less clear. LudwigC (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your quick and informative response! I agree that it might be best to take a cautious stance. As such, I'll only add names which are obviously surnames to the Names page and shan't do anything with the more ambiguous ones for the time being. Aegithalos (talk) 19:53, 20 April 2021 (UTC)