Lore talk:Cyrodiil

I do not have the strategy guide, does anyone know the approximate square mileage of Cyrodil?

• lore wise or Oblivion?, Oblivion is something like 2 or 3

I heard somewhere around 16 or 17 sq. miles in real life.64.131.15.50 17:12, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

16 square miles seems to be the generally accepted figure. This article on xbox.com has quite a bit of detail. --Rpeh^Talk 03:14, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Arena vs. Oblivion

Why is it that in arena cyrodill had only the imperial city in it and in oblivion it's so big? Did it somehow expand in the time between the games or the developers simply decided to change it without ingame explanation? — Unsigned comment by 201.53.96.215 (talk)

They just changed it with no in game explanation--Ratwar 19:46, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Proper grammar

I'm pretty sure that, after taking a college level English class, the plural "cities" works better in the context of the main features. Inverting the sentence, you wouldn't say city are because that doesn't make any sense. The word "features" refers to multiple nouns, and, without the comma, the sentence would read "The main features of the region are the city of Anvil and Kvatch." So, the word "city" must be made plural to "cities" to make more sense with the sentence. The phrase "a major port city" is a subordinate clause and has to effect on what makes "city" plural or not. So, therefore, the word "city" should be "cities" QED. — Unsigned comment by Penguin0719 (talk • contribs)

Okay, let's break it down then, since we obviously disagree here, and I'll explain why I changed it. This is the sentence we're working with, as it currently stands in the article:

...the main features of the region are the city of Anvil, a major port city, and the inland city of Kvatch.

Now, if the sentence said "the main features of the region are the city of Anvil, a major port city, and Kvatch," you would probably want to use the plural "cities" instead. However, since the original phrasing said "the city of Anvil...and the inland city of Kvatch," that particular sentence needs the singular "city." You wouldn't say "My favorite colors are the colors blue and the color red," you would say "My favorite colors are the color blue and the color red." (Okay, to be honest, nobody would really say it like that, but that's not the point!) Unless the sentence is more drastically rephrased, it's fine how it is. --Eshe^talk20:26, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I agree with Eshe. The phrase in question is "city of Anvil;" "city of Kvatch" is a separate phrase. Each use of "city" refers to a single place and therefore should be singular. Penguin's simplified version of the sentence is not equivalent to the full sentence, which destroys the chain of logic. --Nephele^Talk 22:37, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Dive Rock

First of all, is Dive Rock really a "notable" place, worth mentioning along with the major cities? Second, is it actually the highest point? I think I remember walking downhill to get to Dive Rock.Vontos 21:11, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

Notable Places

Is it site policy to include only towns as notable places? In a lore article, places like Sancre Tor would certainly merit comment. — Unsigned comment by Temple-Zero (talk • contribs) on 6. September 2008

I don't know why you would automatically assume that. Add Sancre Tor if you have a description for it that fits into the article contents. Perhaps seperate the towns from it with a sub-section "Notable Towns"... --Timenn < talk > 14:24, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Just checked Morrowind's article. Red Mountain is included on the same list as the others. Guess we should keep it consistent.Temple-Zero 14:27, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

County Lines?

Hi guys... I was making this map for personal use and was directed over here because "...the guys at the Lore forum would love to take a look at [my] map" My porblem was the definity of the borders of the various counties, which are all of ambiguous. Any help in that area and overall judgement of my job would be greatly appreciated, thanks! Davehoekst 21:10, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Ain't many lore guys over here, but I think I left some comment about the Imperial Reserve back on the forums. I'm not sure if you should attempt to cover the land so completely, as I don't think the towns would divide the province feudal style (Colovia would certainly have a large collection of landowners) but rather direct certain regions. The counties are labeled, so perhaps it would be better to search for natural barriers and landscape transitions near the labels and call them the border, rather than having everything abut into someone else's land.Temple-Zero 15:19, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

image

Changed to link rather than embedded image. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 01:00, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Climate of Cyrodiil

In Morrowind, the Imperial Province is described as a jungle. In Oblivion, though, it's a stereotypical medieval forest. I love walking around in a medieval forest and all, but it seems odd, seeing how every man in Vvardenfell has a different view on Cyrodiil than what it is. I can't help but think that they might be referencing a temperate rainforest, which is a cluster of temperate trees with a lot of rain, perfectly describing Blackwood and the West Weald.

The source text is highly specific and scientific. Blackwood is described as "subtropical," not temperate, and the West Weald is a grassland.74.65.142.202 00:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know but it might have been to hard to make. — Unsigned comment by 149.6.4.214 (talk) on 7 July 2010

"Originally a jungle, Cyrodiil was changed into a temperate climate by Emperor Tiber Septim."

I wasn't sure if this should go into the existing "Climate of Cyrodiil", so I'm sorry if it dosen't need another section and I'm just wasting space. Anywho, I read through bothe the reference things straight after this sentence, but I still don't get it - did Tiber Septim have some sort of space age terraforming or something? I think this sentence ought to be expanded a little. UnrealFragger 15:43, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

You don't really need that advanced tech to change a climate. For example Northern Africa used to be much more fertile until the Romans started mass farming the area, increasing desertification greatly. If you burn enough jungle the jungle won't come back, so that is likely the best logical explanation. The magical lore one goes like this.

"'You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you.'"

Aye, love. Love! Even as man, great Talos cherished us. For he saw in us—in each of us—the future of Skyrim! The future of Tamriel! Flarn2006 (talk) 06:14, 24 October 2012 (GMT)

So he apparently cooled Cyrodiil with ice magic. Making it to cool for the jungles to survive. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 15:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Correct me if i'm wrong but "'You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you.'" is the only thing that says the climate was changed by Tiber Septim, I checked the reference and it specifically says that it isn't found in game. From the sounds of it, it is a fan made explanation for the change of the description of Cyrodiil as being a Jungle to being a Forest. If it is fan made it wouldn't make sense for it to be in the article. — Unsigned comment by 125.238.28.62 (talk) at 18:50 on 3 December 2011 (GMT)

You misunderstand. There are now three separate sources claiming that Tiber Septim changed the climate, and only one of them is from out-of-game material. It isn't fanon in the slightest, and the speech you're quoting comes directly from dialogue in Skyrim. --Legoless 21:31, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

The Many-Headed Talos quote usually goes over peoples heads. The rough Cyrod translation of the Ehlnofex CHIM is Royalty. When Tiber Septim gave that sppech to the Legion he was boasting that he had achieved CHIM ie "I breathe now in royalty" and with that power he would certainly be able to "shout" jungles of Cyrodiil away.

The world "jungle" originally meant simply a wild, dense forest, it's only in modern times that it has come to mean a tropical rainforest. Could it just mean that Tiber Septim felled large areas of Cyrodiil's forest to make way for settlements? Perhaps the Great Forest used to stretch further into Colovia and the West Weald before it was cut back? Norowane (talk) 23:42, 30 December 2012 (GMT)

I'm afraid that just doesn't fit with the context provided in the discussion above; "...you hate jungle... my breath is long winter... reshape this land..." It seems like the climate was actually changed, going by that quote. --GK^talk2me 04:03, 31 December 2012 (GMT)

Native Inhabitants

Wouldn't Altmer (High Elves , Heartland High elves or Ancient Ayleids as thay are referred to) be the native inhabitants of cyrodill seeings as to all the references in the game saying that the Ancient Ayleids or Heartland High Elves ruled cyrodill in the long time before recorded history

To but it bluntly, no. First of all, the Ayleids were themselves outsiders, coming from the Summerset Isle and taking the land from the humans and beast-folk of the area. Secondly, Cyrodiil didn't exist until the fall of White-Gold Tower (and therefore the fall of Ayleid power in the region). This article is about the province, not the region. Therefore, the Imperials are the native inhabitants of the province of Cyrodiil.--Kalis Agea^{Yes? Contrib E-mail} 20:05, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Dialogue regarding climate

I don't know if it's wanted in the article, but there is a little more information on the jungle climate. It also says that a "great river" drains into Black Marsh's swamps, but I can't find this on an actual Oblivion map, so that may be notable.

"Cyrodiil is the cradle of Human Imperial high culture on Tamriel. It is the largest region of the continent, and most is endless jungle. The Imperial City is in the heartland, the fertile Nibenay Valley. The densely populate central valey is surrounded by wild rain forests drained by great rivers into the swamps of Argonia and Topal Bay. The land rises gradually to the west and sharply to the north. Between its western coast and its central valley are deciduous forests and mangrove swamps."

Morrowind dialogue when asking about Cyrodiil. Vely^{►Talk►Email} 19:01, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

The great river that drains into Argonia would either be the Panther or Niben Rivers. The Panther River starts at the Niben Bay and can be traced back to the South Western Argonian cities of Soulrest and Blackrose. The Niben River goes from Lake Rumare (Imperial City area) into the Topal Bay which also touches the Western Argonian coast. — Unsigned comment by 74.70.241.157 (talk) at 18:02 on 3 November 2012 (GMT)

I'm tempted to say that the Morrowind dialogue on the rivers is just wrong. The Panther River empties into Niben Bay, not Black Marsh. And unless they consider the east coast of Topal Bay to be "Argonia", the River Niben certainly doesn't empty into it either (plus, the fact that the dialogue distinguishes between the two also discredits this). So either there are hidden waterways in Blackwood that we don't see in Oblivion, or the dialogue is just incorrect/retconned. —Legoless (talk) 20:35, 3 November 2012 (GMT)

Concerning the Cleanup of the 'Politics' Section

I was hoping that someone could add a list of the emperors that ruled Cyrodiil in chronological order, and if possible, add background info on each emperor.

-Zach — Unsigned comment by 178.79.181.11 (talk) at 14:15 on 28 February 2013‎

You can find a list of emperors, with links to each of their pages at the Tamrielic Emperors page. :) Adding them here would only make this page unmanageably long (there are 45 known emperors, most with pages). :) Jeancey (talk) 21:27, 28 February 2013 (GMT)