Lore talk:Daedra

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"Technically, Malacath, Mehrunes Dagon, Sheogorath, and Meridia are not "true" Daedra. These are beings transformed into Daedra by various unpleasant circumstances." this is untrue in the cases of dagon and Sheogorath i know of no mention of dagon being anything other than i true deadric prince and Sheogorath is Jyggalag who is a true deadric prince these two names should be removed if no one else will i will if you know of a reason not to say it pleas Diobern 16:34, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Calling of the sixteen "not true daedra" is sort of iffy, though their special status could me neutrally mentioned. Malacath is Trinimac who was eaten by Boethia- very well documented. Meridia was chastised and cast down by Akatosh according to the Census of Daedra Lords, a document written for and referenced in the 3rd PGE. Dagon supposedly found his true form after being destroyed by Alduin, according to Nordic folklore and a document that is concept work for a possible game in Skyrim.24.31.156.165 18:56, 8 November 2008 (EST)

i would like to see the text about dagon Diobern 19:18, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Fight number One, best read with mead. http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/aldudagga.shtml

thanks for the link. i dont think nordic mythology is good evadance that dagon isent a "true" deadric lord could it be rewriten to say he might not be? Diobern 11:13, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Myths are true, so the only thing disqualifying it is that we hear about it in Nordic mythology alone. As I said, I wouldn't touch "true" daedra lord with a ten-foot pole, although a possible special status could be mentioned.Temple-Zero 13:51, 10 November 2008 (EST)

I'm sorry but I can't let that pass. Courtesy of dictionary.com we find that a "myth" is "a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.". If you disagree, then please give me Santa Claus' email address. Or Odin would be good, since this is about Nordic mythology. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 16:11, 10 November 2008 (EST)

I just deleted my original response in order to give you the benefit of the doubt. Were you under the impression that I was talking about the real world in a talk page regarding a fake world?Temple-Zero 16:25, 10 November 2008 (EST)

I have changed the article to reflect this discussion. If anyone has any objections, I would be happy to hear them.

[edit] Exposure to daedric weapons/armor= madness?

"Long term exposure to Daedric weaponry or armor invariably results with a slow descent into madness." I have never heard this mentioned before. Can anyone confirm this? Has it been mentioned in a book or by a person in one of the games? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blue deep (talk • contribs) on 14 January 2009..

Good question. Most of the rest of the passage is probably based on Garothmuk gro-Muzgub's dialogue:

Daedric weapons are made from raw ebony which has been refined using the craft and magical substances of the lesser minions of Oblivion. The process is not a pleasant one for the Daedra involved, and the weapons retain echoes of preternaturally prolonged suffering endured during manufacture. Daedric weapons are the most rare and expensive weapons known in Tamriel.

But I can't see where the statement about descending into madness comes from. I've added a VN tag to the article. --Nephele^Talk 21:20, 18 January 2009 (EST)

If you look at the book Tamrielic Lore from Morrowind, the reason for the short term ownership of a daedric artifact is that ownership is based merely on its Daedra Prince's whim and if he/she decides it needs to change ownership, it does. In other words, the reason given on this page for short term ownership is wrong. The only artifact I can think of that drives its owner mad is Umbra, but Umbra's not a DAEDRIC artifact at all. I think that section is pretty much a fanfic and should be removed.

I've removed the statement. Peterb 18:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Daedra Creature History

I think this page could be improved by perhaps having pictures of each example of daedra creature (hunger, atronach etc) from every game they are in, and noting which game they first appeared in, and a comparison of stats and physical appearances from the different games. Does anyone agree?

Remorse1994 15:58, 18 February 2009 (EST)

I agree, but perhaps all of that information is already covered in the bestiary? This page would be quite lengthy if it had that much information and that many pictures.

Chunk of Ham 02:33, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Separate Princes

(moved from the article)

(I think they were to seperate princes, but since the other lords feared Jyggalag's power, they sealed him into another prince. Can anyone confirm or falsify this?)

Sheogorath grew out of Jyg like Hyde out of Jekyl.71.244.115.20 12:23, 20 April 2009 (EDT)