Lore talk:Dagoth Ur

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Is it really germane to openly refer to Dagoth Ur as "evil" ? He wasn't exactly evil for evil's sake, like a diabolical madman out to cause as much pain and destruction as possible. His story is actually rather tragic and complex. It seems a disservice to introduce him as "the evil immortal Lord High Councilor of House Dagoth, who dwells beneath Red Mountain". It seems to me that he cannot be considered evil any more than Sheogorath can. --76.202.248.34 06:18, 11 December 2008 (EST)

After the Tribunal left Lord Voryn Dagoth to look after the Heart of Lorkhan and the Tools of Kagrenac, he experimented with them and stole some of its divine influence to become Dagoth Ur. When Nerevar came back with the Tribunal's decision to destroy the heart, Dagoth Ur wouldn't let him get to it. After a battle Dagoth Ur was defeated, but not destroyed because of his immortality, and Nerevar was fatally wounded, dying shortly after.

Dagoth Ur killed one of his friends in trying to keep the Heart for himself for his own devious purposes. He also drove back the Tribunal when they came to visit the Heart Chamber to renew their connections to the Heart. The Tribunal of people who used to be his friends. That sounds pretty evil to me.

--penguin0719^Talk•_Contribs09:35, 11 December 2008 (EST)

We don't pass judgment on other bloody-minded deities, like Vivec and Morihaus. But I just cut it for sentence flow.24.31.156.165 13:47, 11 December 2008 (EST)

His story is actually rather tragic and complex.

That's precisely what makes him a great villain. I agree that the distinct label "evil" is not entirely accurate here. With all the conflicting perspective, the half-dozen different accounts of the events of the Battle of Red Mountain, and the trickery and confusion encountered when dealing with him in-game, even though he is the "Devil and the Enemy" of the Ashlanders, "the evil immortal enemy of the Tribunal Temple cult", elsewhere he is not reviled as evil in the black-and-white sense. Lukish_ Tlk Cnt 16:08, 12 December 2008 (EST)

[edit] Voice Talent

Does anyone know who voiced Dagoth Ur? It sounds like the same person who voiced Mehrunes Dagon in morrowind HugoL 23:28, 10 January 2009 (EST)HugoLHugoL 23:28, 10 January 2009 (EST)

[edit] Vivec's Power [Moved]

I have read a lot of lore concerning the history of morrowind, dagoth ur, and the tribunal. How come the lore all says that "dagoth Ur got more powerful while the tribunal grew weaker", and in one notable excerpt, "At this point, the tribunal couldn't even fight a ash vampire". And vivec isn't strong enough to go fight dagoth ur himself and has failed at this. If this is all true, how come ash vampires crumble fairly easily at the hands of a decent level character, and dagoth ur is defeatable as well; while vivec can kill even the most powerful characters within a few hits, as well as has far superior health to dagoth ur? I would appreciate an answer. thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Noctoural88 (talk • contribs) on 03:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC).

there is a video on youtube of this fight and sadly ;( vivec gets completely battered by Dagoth Ur (mainly because of his shield ability) --Tabloes 22:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)