Lore talk:Imperial

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Soo.. I still hold that there is insufficient evidence that Imperials are connected to Romans at all. More importantly, I think you are taking away the player's right to decide for himself on any human life connections. Which is important because, Cyrodil has a rich history all of it's own, A world completely removed from Earth.

There is more than enough evidence that the Imperials are based on the Roman Empire. They all have Roman names, first of all. Their armor is similar to that worn by the Romans, there are many parallels with Roman history and culture, and if that weren't enough, the developpers have been quoted as saying that the Imperials were intentionally based on the Romans. And yes, the Bretons are based on the French. They have French names, and hey, they're called "Bretons", which is a word used in real life to refer to people from Brittany, see Brittany, a province in northern France. And yes, the Nords are based on Scandinavians. They're from the cold northern climates, they have Norse-inspired names, they even look Norse. Also note that we say "based on". There's a big difference between saying that the Imperials ARE Romans and the Imperials are BASED ON the Romans. Obviously there are going to be differences, but only a fool would insist that there is no connection whatsoever when the evidence is so blatantly obvious. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 12:40, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

You're right that Cyrodiil and the world of the Elder Scrolls has its own history but it's quite clear that it draws much from various aspects of Earth and its history. It would be entirely accurate, for instance, to suggest that the minotaurs in the game come from the Greek legend of Theseus and the Labyrinth [1]. In fact, Imps, Trolls, Will-o-the-Wisps, Spriggans, Ogres, Goblins, Skeletons, Zombies, Ghosts, Wraiths and Lichs all come from Earth mythology.

The assertion that there are correlations between Imperials and Romans, Bretons and French (you could add Nords and Scandinavians) seems entirely valid. Whilst it's an Asterix-style stereotype to say that all Roman names ended in "us" for men and "i" or "a" for women, it's not too far wrong as anybody who learned Latin from Caecillius and Metalla will testify. The name of the river flowing through Rome finds a role as the first name of the greatest Imperial hero, Tiber Septim. There are similar coincidences for Bretons.

FOUR different editors have now reverted your edits. Please consider that this shows support for the idea that the - perfectly reasonable - information remains on the page.

--Rpeh^Talk 12:49, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Thank you for enlightening me. That is something that I can accept as a just resolution to this argument. The sheer number of people who wordlessly change my edits back to the way it was.. doesn't really matter. This info is beautiful and should stay in the talk page.

Actually, there are similarities between the Imperial race and the Wikipedia:Aryan race, the characteristics and appearance are very similar. But the similarities with Romans are more striking. Also, Aryan race has now been tainted by the Nazis, much like the Swastika symbol. --Mankar Camoran^{•T•C•E•} 14:30, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Also, from what I know, the Romans were Aryans. --Mankar Camoran^{•T•C•E•} 14:37, 16 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Romans or Greek?

Hi I saw that it stood that the empire might referre to the roman empire but then, in oblivion, the imperial guards where wearing an armour looking like the older greek, you know, their helms are just like the once that the greek warriors and some of the greek gods used.

And didn't the romans copy a lot from the greeks? Just a little thought... --Goblin lair 18.26, 14 july 2008

yes they did alot.(Lexlexx1 13:55, 30 August 2008 (EDT))

Well actually the dead guy pictured in the statue inside Chorrol's south gate is wearing a very distinctively Greek helmet. Anyway, note that the Emnpire, at least in terms of names, seems to be also based on the Eastern Roman empire. I've noticed more than a few Byzantine (sometimes Greek-derived) names. I don't think it would be too far fetched to say it's a generic mixture of Greco-Roman culture, mostly based on early Imperial Rome, but also encorporating other elements.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 77.49.134.94 (talk • contribs) on 25. September 2008.

I noticed that a few Imperials do have Byzantine names. Maybe Bethesda just wanted us to know that when the empire collapses, it may split up, like the WRE and the Byzantine Empire. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.12.52.166 (talk • contribs) on October 5, 2007.

[edit] Moved from the Article

Although Imperials are, by no means, the most hated race in Tamriel, they are strongly disliked due to their expansionistic tendencies, and there have been many rebellions throughout history against Imperial Control. While each race have their squabbles with other races, each race in Tamriel have a tangible reason to dislike the Imperials in the fact that their homelands are controlled by these outsiders. This makes the Imperials one of the most generally disliked races in Tamriel. Even the people who accept and the Imperials tolerate them reluctantly. Let us take the situation in Morrowind for example: Hlaalu, on the surface, mostly supports the empire. However, the Hlaalu are also the basis of the Cammona Tong, who hate outsiders of Morrowind. Why would they hate outsiders? The most logical reason would be hatred stemming from outsider control-especially Imperials-in their lands. The Ashlanders, Ordinators, Tribunal Temple, and House Telvanni are all hostile to outsiders who don't accept their beliefs and ideals. Consider the fact Ashlanders have largely hoped for the Nerevarine because of hopes that he will drive outsiders out of Morrowind. Odds are outlanders are largely tolerated only because of the treaty made by and their acceptance by the Tribunal themselves, and even then only by those who either respect the Tribunal or like the empire.

This is all guesswork and opinion. If you have references, please supply them. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 09:55, 25 May 2009 (EDT)