Lore talk:Jyggalag

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[edit] Sources?

Just wondering if anyone can corroborate the latest edit that says "Jyggalag will feature prominently in Shivering Isles, the expansion for Oblivion." --GuildKnight 16:03, 25 January 2007 (EST)

It is from PCGamer. The whole focus of the expanition is said to be that each eon, Jyggalag leads a clensing of a Daedra realm known as the Graymarch, this time it's Sheogorath's Realm that is to be clensed, and as the whole realm is being destroyed anyway, Sheogorath has opened up the doors for one big last mad party. Quite a bit of disscussion about Jyggalag, the greymarch and all the possabilities on the Offical Forums, in the lore section.

Thanks, I'll have to pick up a copy. I can't wait for the release! --GuildKnight 23:08, 27 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Kinda big of a spoiler?

Wouldn't the last part concerning him being Sheogorath and a champion defeating him be a rather large spoiler? Someone could be doing this, and would look for it here to get more information on him.

Well, the whole site is somewhat a spoiler, and the Lore namespace deals with the whole picture and has to tell the whole story. If you don't want that, you might want to stay in the Oblivion namespace. --Benould^•T•C 00:41, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

I know the whole site is a spoiler, but theres limits... - Lucky the Cat Guy 22:18, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Nope, not really.Temple-Zero 22:41, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

The Lore namespace is precisely where such information belongs. Lore articles are not supposed to be written from the perspective of someone playing the game, and therefore should not make arbitrary distinctions about only providing information from before a certain point in a quest, but not after that point in the quest. Lore articles are supposed to provide a historical overview of all the events that have occurred. If you're looking for information on how to complete the Shivering Isles quests, you should be reading the quest articles or the SI article on Jyggalag, not this article. --Nephele^Talk 00:54, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Lords of Misrule?

Can anyone enlighten me as to how Jyggalag makes for for a proper daedra? As I understand it all the daedra are spawned from the aspect Chaos, so how is the daedric prince of Order a... well a daedra? I mean I could understand how he could be a representative of misrule, the preservation of order can often be detrimental to a society typically by way of stagnation. But to be considered a daedra? It doesn't make much sense to me.

Shivering Isles does not fit in with existing understandings of aedra and daedra. This further stresses the sketchy nature of these definitions. In effect: search me. Either this goes to show how little mortals understand the et'ada, or the writers of SI just didn't treat their subject matter with much care. Jygallag's exposition dialog irritates me sufficiently to suspect the latter.Temple-Zero 19:34, 29 November 2008 (EST)

correct me if im wrong but what defines a deadra is the fact that they cannot truely create life only alter it. if you recall Peryite is also concerned with order. but the order jyggalag is concerned with is cold and lifeless in which everything happens according to plan. if anything happens that violates such plan it is destroyed. in a way jyggalag creates chaos in an attempt to destroy it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.61.39.108 (talk • contribs) on 3 January 2009.

That's a rather pedantic definition. The Daedra created their realms, didn't they? Jygallag is a Daedroth simply because he is not an Aedroth, I suppose. I still don't understand what he is supposed to be, as if SI's writers failed to grasp the simplest part of one of lore's simplest topics- Aedra=Order Daedra=Chaos. So what the heck is Daedra of order?Temple-Zero 15:02, 3 January 2009 (EST)

I'm not sure what Azura (for one) has done to imply that she's an agent of chaos. I'd also have to say that I think you're slightly missing the point about the chaos caused by order's attempt to convert everything to its nature. In any case, I think the confusion comes from the organic nature of TES lore: quite simply, nobody can be sure of what an entity's nature or purpose is because they change so often through the series. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 16:04, 3 January 2009 (EST)

No, see, the Daedra represent the extremes of everything. Sanguine is the extremes of passion and indulgence, Sheogorath of insanity, Jygalagg of order, etc. Signed, The Man who has to much time on his hands 65.189.241.103 22:06, 12 February 2009 (EST)

I like to see Jygalagg as an Anuic Daedra, in the same sense Lorkhan is a Padomaic Aedra (unless you choose to follow Camoran's twisted logic on the matter).

As On Oblivion has been saying since Daggerfall: "From my experience, Daedra are a very mixed lot. It is almost impossible to categorize them as a whole except for their immense power and penchant for extremism." So it seems a little unfair, Temple-Zero, to criticise SI for...well, making Jyggalag an extremist. :/ --62.30.222.230 03:54, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

It's a matter of taste. That vision of the Daedra seems consistent with the SI Dyus and Haskill Interview in that it shows the Daedra as too chaotic and mysterious for mortals to understand. In effect, don't try to make sense of them because you can't. Well, in my opinion that is a cop-out. I like to have at least one compelling, orderly vision of a subject, even if it is a mistaken one. SI may suggest that our prior understanding of Oblivion was superficial, juvenile and downright incorrect, but it didn't offer a good story to replace the old version, however inaccurate. I see that as the wrong kind of mystery. I was more attached to older opinions of the Daedra because if they act as Jygallag says they do, then they really don't have an important connection to Mundus at all. If they are wholly unrelated to the mortal plane and unlimited in their actions and powers, then I don't see any reason to care about them. They are just powerful aliens.Temple-Zero 15:30, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Meh, our mileage varies. As extremists they're dangerous by nature, and a vested interest in the world certainly makes them something to care about. I personally find they make for a more diverse set of enemies than chaotic devotees, while also including a nice moral aspect, as they're not all guaranteed to be out to cause the most chaos possible. Really, there seems to be more reason to care about them than there is for the Nine Divines. And as I quoted from On Oblivion, it's nothing to do with SI; the series has been saying they're largely enigmatic to mortals since Daggerfall. In the end, don't forget that this is basically religion. There are plenty of real world religions out there with supernatural orders of beings with much the same nature, lacking the dichotomy of good/evil or order/chaos. --62.30.222.230 05:28, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

well correct me if i am wrong. but isnt sheogorath and by extension jyggalags origins imply that he wasnt born a deadra. and last i checked the difference beetween a deadra and an aedra was the fact that the adrea created he concrete universe. and the deadra created a more chaotic and less stable universe