Lore talk:Mannimarco

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Should it not be mentioned that he was temporarily a god due to the warp in the west?--68.192.188.142 19:17, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Mannimarco emerged from the warp as both a mortal lich who was kicked out of heaven, leaving behind a non-sentient "god," a planet or moon that transforms soul gems. This is revealed in quest documents in oblivion.

Concerning "the mighty Remans": would this not most probably refer to the Reman emperors as a ruling dynasty? If so, dating the events of the poem will perhaps be easier, as the end of the Reman dynasty is marked by the transition to the Second Era (i.e. 2E0 or 2E1) and the rise of the Akaviri Potentates, starting with Versidue-Shaie. (See 2920, The Last Year of the First Era by Carlovac Townway.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quill (talk • contribs).

I agree that "mighty Remans" is far more likely to be a reference to the Reman emperors as a group, rather than to Reman I. The plural "Remans"; the fact that the fall of the Remans marked the end of the era and therefore is a natural reference point for dating; with that assumption, the start of Mannimarco's studies coincides with the founding of the Mages Guild; and, finally, then there is no longer a 100 year discrepancy in Mannimarco's age. So I've revamped the paragraph accordingly, which allowed alot of superfluous speculation to be removed. --Nephele^Talk 02:37, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

What is this about the Warp in the West? Fan-fiction? 66.167.32.244 05:36, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

No it is an event that occurs after the events of TESII:Daggerfall and is canon.Itaav 12:36, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

Contents 1 Bloodworm Helm in Vahtacen 2 Galerion? 3 Leaving For Tamriel 4 A lich?

[edit] Bloodworm Helm in Vahtacen

"In Oblivion, it [the Bloodworm Helm] may be found in the quest Vahtacen's Secret. The player character finds an "Ancient Elven Helm" with physical similarities to the Bloodworm Helm. At the time, however, it has no enchantment. The player definitively gets it during the quest The Bloodworm Helm."

Is there anything confirming that the "Ancient Elven Helm" found in Vahtacen really is the Bloodworm Helm? This info seems to be on this one page only, and I personally doubt that it's correct. I don't see too many "physical similarities", the helm from Vahtacen looks pretty much like an ordinary Elven helmet as far as i remember.--Quill 18:59, 22 February 2008 (EST)

You're absolutely right. The two items are totally unrelated. I've removed it from the article. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 08:08, 24 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Galerion?

During his speech in Oblivion, Mannimarco mentions Vanus Galerion: "I developed a particular fondness for Galerion, ill-preserved though he may be". Does this imply that Mannimarco raised Galerion from the dead?--Willyhead^/t 15:26, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

In context to the rest of his speach I'm pretty sure that he turned Galerion into a worm thrall--Drake3555 22:25, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

No. Galerion is long dead and decomposed, while Mannimarco is still alive. 66.167.32.244 05:30, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Where I come from, zombies are both dead and decomposed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Temple-Zero (talk • contribs) on 13:01, September 4, 2008.

[edit] Leaving For Tamriel

The article states that Mannimarco was sent to the mainland for an unknown reason, yet the Galerion article says he was sent on an errand but went AWOL. It also speculates in this article that Galerion went to the mainland as part of his training, but I was under the impression he left in disgust of the psijics' policies on the public use of magic. Can anyone verify the accuracy of the article's speculation?--Qeros 11:41, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

[edit] A lich?

He became the first lich (explaining his longevity, as he was approximately 1,130 years old by the beginning of Oblivion). It is not specified if he was the first lich ever or the first human being to make the transformation.

It is not necessary to suppose that he is a lich to explain his longevity, because he is a Mer. He could just naturally be that old. I don't believe there are any sources in TES that definitively establish him as undead. --76.202.248.34 07:53, 11 December 2008 (EST)

When i killed him he looked like a ordinary Altmer. Maybe he's using magic to appear mortal? --Prince of Madness 19:47, 10 January 2009 (EST)

The poem Mannimarco, King of Worms calls him the first lich.74.65.142.202 19:52, 10 January 2009 (EST)

I personally suspect he most likely perfected the method that the other Necromancers are seeking to accomplish in Oblivion and that the liches seen in the game are either incomplete or did not preform the method of becoming one properly. If that is the case then he could intentionally be witholding the information to prevent other full liches like himself from being created or is using it to gain power with the Order of the Black Worm. Possibly by using the secret to demand utter fealty from its members. Either that or it could take hundreds of years to reach the state of lichdom that he is found in in Oblivion. (Gadianzero 22:04, 10 January 2009 (EST))