Lore talk:Races

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I fear that a lot of the information on these pages were taken illegally from Wikipedia. I'm not 100% sure what their policy for derivative works is, but I'd like to be aware as these articles risk deletion. --Aristeo 20:40, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Looks like there's no problem so long as we put a link-back to them. [1] --TheRealLurlock 21:59, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Although this concern was brought forth some time ago, I would like to note that - while the articles are each greatly derivative, if not outright copied - I am currently working on revising the article for each race to be both unique and in-depth. The Khajiit page is currently posted and being slowly edited on my computer ere a new version is put up, whilst the Argonian and Altmer articles are currently underway and progressing nicely.

As to the notice itself, I see no need to be concerned about taking the information from Wikipedia. Not only will these articles be modified - not only by myself, but many others, of that I am sure - however, it must be remembered that the Wikipedia articles are but compilations of data from outside sources as well, and thus, under no copyright prohibiting derivative works from being made.

-- Booyah boy 09:22, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

Contents 1 Orc back to Orsimer 2 Vampires 3 Orc as Playable Race 4 ideas for Divine format 5 A complaint about real world parallels 6 extinct 7 Kothringi

[edit] Orc back to Orsimer

This discussion has been merged with the pre-existing discussion on Tamriel Talk:Orc --Nephele 02:07, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Vampires

I've added references to the Vampire factions since these, are for many game purposes, a "race". The Lore:Vampire page has the stub macro, but I'm sure it will be "fluffed-up" in no time. I'd really like to see the Morrowind Clans get pages in the Tamriel namespace, as I've done for the Daggerfall Bloodlines. I hope this might help the nice people with the MRP (Morrowind Redesign Project). Naturally if adding these links on the Lore:Races page was a Terrible Idea Which We All Will Soon Regret, then you have my appologies in advance. Just revert ;) ⌈Uniblab 14:38, 8 January 2007 (EST)⌋

[edit] Orc as Playable Race

May not be playable in Arena or Daggerfall, but definitely playable in Morrowind and Oblivion, which would be 50% of the series not counting the expansions. Plus most of the site traffic is from Oblivion and Morrowind (probably close to 90%), and a present games have them. --Ratwar 15:24, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Makes perfect sense to me. --HMSVictory 15:25, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

My logic for unbolding it, is that the bold is stated to be for races that are playable in most of the games. Orcs are playable in 2 out of 4, which may or may not be qualified as "most." I suppose we can discuss proper classification in here. Durza 17:12, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Well, is a totally unrelated system, .5 rounds up to 1, and I'd qualify 'most' as those percentages that would round up to 100%. I think more than anything this is a problem with the wording 'most'. What if we changed the statement to Races in bold are playable races in the most recent games. I can definitely see your point about how that is somewhat wrong.--Ratwar 18:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Great plan, Ratwar! I've done so. Durza 18:51, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] ideas for Divine format

I feel we should replace 'Divine' with 'et'ada' and divide that into Aedra and Daedra, perhaps with Magna Ge and Mnemolia as well.

[edit] A complaint about real world parallels

I am writing this to argue for the removal (or moratorium, or trimming, whathaveyou) of the parts of the Races section where editors try to find the real world influences of the human races and then blow them out of proportion and add a little embellishment. This does not contribute to your understanding of the subject, it merely recalls those endless threads on the forums where everyone who can recognize an obvious name similarity will say Nords! Vikings! Imperial! Romans! Redguards! Black People! (Or was it Persians? Or Swahilis?) Bretons! French!(Although I have heard British) Firstly, these things are nebulous and unimportant. It is not lore. And the Nords aren't Scandinavian, they're Germanic. I mean Anglo-Saxon. Or something. Second, their inclusion violates the style guide. Third, there it an important difference between 'based upon' and 'inspired by.' If the Bretons really were the inhabitants of Brittany, when they went to war with the navies of the Aldmeri Dominion, they would have used a Tamrielic version of the Chasse-maree and kicked ass.Temple-Zero 20:44, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

[edit] extinct

Does anyone feel that we should make a note of the three races on this page that no longer exist?74.65.142.202 21:02, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

I don't see why not --Darth NANAME 23:55, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

I can't think of an apt word, however. 'Extinct' doesn't sound quite right. Perhaps rather than a parenthetical label, an asterisk with a note at the bottom or top of the list.Temple-Zero 10:30, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Kothringi

I added a link to the article here. Is this ok? --Max Welrod 03:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Makes sense. You don't always need to ask though - if other editors think there's a problem they'll undo your edit and explain why in an edit summary or talk page post. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 06:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)