Morrowind talk:Houses

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[edit] Categories

Well, the house pages haven't changed too much for quite a while. Though, nobody has really made any categories other than Balmora, Ald'ruhn, and Caldera (Sadrith Mora isn't even started really.) Anyway, this may be because people are unwilling to start an entirely new page to list their own home locations. I'm starting a sort of miscellanious location category for all homes that either are not in a specific location (various yurts and plantations) or are only in parts of other locations (wings of daedric shrines, egg mines, and caves). If a home in this category looks like it should go in another, more specific one, go on, or if there are a group of them that could have their own category, make it. --WerdnanoslenTalk 17:26, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

I am probably going to revamp this page up a bit. Feel free to make changes as necessary. --Timmeh! 17:52, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Suggestions

Aye, mate...not to be rude, but you may wish to make use of the "Preview" function ere posting to avoid unecessary edits. Also, may I recommend you take some time to research which homes are "best" suited for the residence of players. It might be worthwhile to chronicle those homes which have the greatest space and storage vessels (crates, urns, etcetera), are closest to useful services (methods of transportation, guild halls, and merchants), and have the greatest esthetic appeal.
Furthermore, you might wish to revise the format in which you present these homes...in short, rather than presenting the "My top 5 places to live after the owner has...kindly left it for you", a simple Synopsis heading (leaving note of how the following list details those homes best suited for habitation, due to the aforementioned reasons, which you should include in the article), then follow that up with sub-headings of each town, which each has the five best homes.
In short, something like this:

[edit] Synopsis

The following list details those buildings which are most desireable as a base for use by your character. (or whatnot)

[edit] Caldera

Name
Services: Near Silt Strider, Mages Guild, Fighters Guild, Razor Hole
Storage: 5 Large Urns, 2 Crates
Description: yadda, yadda, gibberish, and whatnot.

I completely agree, this style would make it a lot more informative, and it would be easier to have other house entries conform to this style. As soon as I'm finished sorting out Morrowind Books, I'll help out here. Werdnanoslen 21:32, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

What about adding the nearest Almsivi/Divine Intervention target for these places? I don't go anywhere without using some combination of recall, intervention, and fast travel, so I think it might be relevant for choosing a home. Organous 17:11, 3 November 2006 (EST)

P.S.: Sorry for the second edit. First time, not in the habit of previews yet. Organous 17:11, 3 November 2006 (EST)

[edit] Feedback

I just made a couple small changes to conform to some of the wiki's style guidelines:

As for the actual format/contents of the page, I don't have much of an opinion either way, since I haven't made it past the introduction of Morrowind. I'd say it's up to those who are contributing to the page to reach a consensus on what's here. Frequently pages start with one set of information, then other people will add in other points they think are relevant. --Nephele 12:31, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Wanted to clear something up

The following was moved from UESPWiki:Community Portal, following Nepehele's comments.

I have just made a whole new section on the morrowind section called houses as i thought people would benifit and make the game more enjoyable for other players but there is peer support on it or something and im just curious as to what it is if someone could reply to me, preferably the person who added it, it would be greatly appreciated.--Konnajb 11:44, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

That was me, mate. It is not a bad thing, nor one to be alarmed at; I am merely requesting that others in this community take a moment to look over your article and consider editing such to better fit the current content of the wiki. For now, you should see my notes I made to you on the articles tak page, here. Booyah boy 11:49, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

Cheerz mate i just wasnt sure i do alot of stuff to other page wit html but dis websites functions are all new to me i just thought the house section would be a great benefit and i have left it at that to begin with i will be taking your advice though with that synopsis or whatever as that would make it much easier i wanted to do a link to places like Caldera, Ald Ruhn, Balmora and then on the page the link follows i would like there to be a list of houses with there description like beds, shelfs, etc. If you could help at all with me in makin this section of morrowind better i would appreciate it im still trying to sort out my personal page.--Konnajb 12:31, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

I also just chimed in on the Morrowind Talk:Houses page, which probably is the more appropriate place for this conversation, since it is specifically discussing just that one page. --Nephele 12:35, 10 August 2006 (EDT)
I'd say Nephele is correct. If there are no complaints to the contrary, I'll move this over there.
Also, I would be happy to lend a hand, Konnajb. You should have noted my comments when first I edited such (Sounds like an amusing idea...), which still stand. Actually, I was just reading an article concerning this very thing - the best houses in Morrowind, that is - and had considered the creation of such an article. I am currently working on a Morag Tong article, but will be happy to drop by and add my thoughts later...frankly, should you take a moment to do some research and revise the format a bit, you won't need me or any other editor to create a superb page. Good luck!
-- Booyah boy 12:51, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

ok thanks mate i may do some more work today but i will be mainly trying to work out the formatting of this site thanks for ya help and possible help to come:-Dand sorry for not noting your requests earlier will do from now on hehe


[edit] "Legible houses"

I heard that if you have done certain quests, you can get houses where items DON'T disappear, can someone reply to this and tell me what quests those are, also if you can, I like small, cozy houses so if anyone find legible houses and quests to get them, please do tellUser:ichigo

Items do not disappear. See here for details. Alphax 11:49, 8 December 2007 (EST)
Items DO disappear from containers in most of the houses, as they contain leveled or random loot which is replenished after a certain time. If the containers in the house contain specific objects, then those containers are safe, but there's no way of telling from inside the game (you'll have to look at the CS). --DrPhoton 05:20, 9 December 2007 (EST)

My question is similar enough to add on to this rather than start a new topic, I'm going for it. Basically, I'm having a heck of a time understanding the "house" situation in Morrowind and I can't gather anything conclusive from our articles (which is a rarity). I'm not far in--maybe 15 hours--so it's possible I just haven't reached an explainable point in the game as for what to do for storage, but I see the problem coming soon. What I'm getting at is, I can't discern just a plain and simple "Where are there safe containers that won't eat your stuff?". What I'm getting from our articles is to either murder someone until they die from it, take their home and hope all the containers are safe. Or, find a random container that feels "safe" and pray that it will be, or look at it in the Construction Set?. Either I'm not far enough in-game or I'm completely missing something from the respective 'homes' articles, but I know I'm going to need a container soon and don't know step one of where one is that doesn't require me slaughtering someone (that's just not how I roll) or crossing my fingers. --AlbinoMudcrab 01:05, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Definately a good question to clear up. I can't give a definite answer which containers are absolutely safe, since I don't have access to the CS. I can however point you to some containers that have never disappeared for me, early to end-game. The crates outside the Mages Guild and Fighters Guild in Balmora have some clutter in it that does not regenerate as soon as you empty them. Good for ingredients, potions, arrows and extra gear. Hope that helps for your pressing needs, until there are better answers. -Benould•T•C 01:44, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
I wouldn't recommend the crates outside in the street - they may respawn. Similarly, the containers in somebody's house are likely to respawn, even after you've killed them (I found this out the hard way early on...). The only container I can 100% guarantee is safe is the closet in the Balmora mages guild, because that's the one I tend to use. I believe (but cannot guarantee) that the various chests in the fighters guild bedrooms in all towns are also safe - I have used one in Vivec when visiting that city, for example. However, you probably need to join the respective guilds to use the containers.
One other option, if you're in Balmora, is to use Ralen Hlaalo's body as a container. He won't disappear, and doesn't respawn his contents, and nobody will mind if you break into his house.
--Gaebrial 06:48, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Thanks to both of you for the extra info(s), much appreciated. However, now I am completely flabbergasted for, if I'm reading you both correctly, the player does not receive a definitive place further in-game to store items or collectibles?. Surely this is just a mean-spirited easter egg that went horribly awry or something because it certainly isn't Sparta--it's madness. It's crazier than all fu... frigging frig. I don't even know what to say about such a ruthless oversight but, wow. Well, I don't want to even ask this now, but what in the Lord's name are you supposed to do with books? Are they considered a permanent dropped item that never moves or resets when put on a shelf, or is this just a laughable question now? So basically, we have a definite Mages Guild closet in Balmora, but anything beyond that is still taking a chance? Alright, I have to think about this for a while, I'm at a loss of words as for what to ask. I'll be back after I mull this tomfoolery over a bit. --AlbinoMudcrab 14:29, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

(Outdent) Losing items due to re-spawning chest in the game is less of a practical problem than you perceive. The perma-corpses as Gaebrial mentioned are safe and have almost unlimited space. They do tend to lag a bit over a certain amount of items and become unruly in terms of finding what you need. Here is a strategy I'd suggest:

  1. Early storage: Any crate will do, convenient location is prime, re-spawn rate is not an issue, just move what you can't be without later.
  2. Items you never want to be without: On your body and in perma-corpses such as Ralen Hlaalo. Examples are artifacts, priceless gear, quest related items that you still need, alchemy tools
  3. Trophies & personal library: Dropped on display cases and book shelves in your main base
  4. Crates for Potions, arrows, ingredients
  5. Crates for weapons and armor
  6. A pile o'stuff at your Mark location or your favorite temple, for things you want to sell soon
  7. Sell clutter to vendors or dispose in copses that will rot away

Note that you don't have to take an item just because it is there :) Leaving things you don't need in their original location helps keeping your save file small. Hope this helps. --Benould•T•C 15:10, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Strongholds

What about the Strongholds you come into possession of as part of the Great House quests? The current post regarding those talks about how to get them, but I couldn't find anything on how they function if you actually set up to live there. Also, I notice, at least in my game (could be random) a nice bit of loot showing up when I first enter. Will it stay? Anyway, it seems like the Houses page should at least link to something about using the Strongholds.

Please sign your comments on talk pages with four (4) tildes (~). Okay, regarding the loot, the Telvanni stronghold pages says, and I quote, "After the second and third phases, there are ebony weapons and special brandies around in the hovels and the tower." Hlaalu and Redoran don't give me similar info, but that line leads me to believe it's not all randomized. Anyway, I'm all for setting up links from this page to the Strongholds, but I'd want to get another opinion first, just in case. Somercy 11:34, 11 December 2007 (EST)
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