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[edit] Can people stop trying to call everything an Egg because it sounds simler.

Honestly its getting moronic.

""Nu-Mantia", the mystical term for freedom used in the Mythic Dawn Commentaries, is a reference to the classic play La Numancia by Spanish playwright Miguel de Cervantes (of Don Quixote fame). Numantia was a Celtiberian hill town in central Spain that was destroyed by the Romans after a lengthy siege. The play is a tribute to the dogged defenders and their passionate defense of their freedom."

Simler sound does not an egg make. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.40.166.190 (talk • contribs) on 16:36, 11 May 2009.

As Patrollers and Administrators, we usually try to be more diplomatic than that, but yeah, it's a common issue on pages like this. :) --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 18:48, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Lorem ipsum placeholder text - possible easter egg?

When an NPC is doing there "book reading" animation, reading over there shoulder (or using noclip) on high quality will reveal that the text seems to be Lorem ipsum, a commonly used Greek placeholder text.

Could this be considered an Easter egg? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.238.208.124 (talk • contribs) on 06:51, 31 May 2009.

Significant use of Greek in the middle of an otherwise English and invented-language game would definitely constitute an egg in my book. If you can grab a picture of it, that would be especially useful in terms of making a better presentation, I think. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 15:48, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
OK, heres a screenshot of what I mean: image
As you can see, even on maximum setting its still pretty blurry, but you can make out the first few words: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit which matches the first line of the Lorem Ipsum text (more info at wikipedia: [1]). Strangely, after this first line it seems to be quitre different from the wikipedia version, although it is too blurry to translate.
Looks good. Feel free to add it to the main article. (PS, I reformatted a your image link...could've been done any number of ways, but the external link wasn't really a necessity, and I thought you might've been having difficulty with the link...though I've been known to put [[ ]] around an external link before <g>). --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 02:17, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Chaucer?

I think 'Hallgerd's Tale' should be added to the easter eggs page as a cultural reference. It may just be an opinion of mine, but this series of tales (the others being Bones1&2 and Vernaccus and Bourlor) from a group of friends bears quite a few resemblances to Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales' in which a group of pilgrims tell stories to keep each other's spirits up. Each of these tales was named after their respective storyteller (The Knight's Tale, The Miller's Tale etc) and I think calling this Hallgerd's Tale is no coincidence. Hallgerd's Tale also seems to be a mix of the two Canterbury Tales I mentioned above; The Knight's Tale being one of chivalry and honour set around jousting tournaments, and The Miller's Tale being a story of adultery and crude sexual themes. SteVB (82.203.3.6 10:27, 3 June 2009 (EDT))

It sounds like you may have something. If others who have read Chaucer agree that there are similarities, then I'd say it could be added to the page. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 15:41, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
I can only hope someone else has read Chaucer, he's even harder to follow than Shakespeare lol. SteVB (82.203.3.9 08:57, 15 June 2009 (EDT))
Funny... I thought we already had this one. The name and style are definitely Chaucerian. The language is rather more contemporary than the Canterbury Tales, but otherwise it's definitely egg-worthy. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 09:35, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
To me it is more the style of Chaucer's source of inpsiration: Bocacio's Decameron. It tells a lot of stories about 'chivalric' men full of lust, burlesque things and lots of witty actions used to reach their lover. Hallgerd's Tale is also more in his style of writing.Texts viewable here. Amemiya 12:05, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Knights Templar

Should it be mentioned the Knights of the Nine are similar/reminscient of the Knights Templar? On the basis of this:
The Knights of the Nine protect a Religion. The Knights Templar protected Christianity.

The outfit of the Knights of the Nine is a white mantle with a red diamond. The outfit of a Knights Templar is a white mantle with a cross.Kestral 22:11, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

I'm not a historian so I don't know, but if you can demonstrate that no other notable groups of knights bore similar similarities, then I would say it might have a place. If other groups of knights do have similarities, though, then this would become simply a variation on multiple groups, which isn't worth noting. So decide based on that, and if others desagree, well, that's what Undo is for. :) --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 15:39, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
Theres also the fact that the player is named Crusader, and the high ranked templars were also called Crusaders, I believe. The helm and Sword design also look close to templar items. 71.3.69.212 02:35, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
My opinion is that it definitely should be added. Not only the asthetic decoration of the armour, but also the physical shaping (the narrow eye slot on the helm, the shape of the shield, etc) bears more than a coincidental resemblance to the Templar Knights. The heroic and historical status of the KotN in ES lore is also quite similar to that of the Knights Templar during the crusades, who became a revered and formidable force in their own right. SteVB (82.203.3.9 08:52, 15 June 2009 (EDT))
This is too much of a stretch. The Knights Templar weren't the only knightly order around. From memory, I can recall the Knights of St John based in Rhodes and then Malta; the Knights of the Sword in Livonia, the Teutonic Knights in Prussia and the Knights Hospitaller based in the Holy Land. All of these knightly orders were founded to go crusading against non-Christians, either in the Middle East or Eastern Europe, and the armor is similar to most armor used by such orders. It's not an easter egg, just keeping it real. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 09:24, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
There are certainly other orders of knights, no question there, but are the physical characteristics also similar to those listed here? (I'm neutral on this, btw, just trying to point out both sides of the argument.) --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 14:09, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
Figuring the Templar had a red cross as their insignia, and figuring that the warriors were generically called crusaders, I don't think it warrants a mention. --Mr. Oblivion(T-C) 14:36, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

(outdent) Look also at SteVB's points. Looking around for myself, the biggest problem I see in proving this is that the various orders of knights are depicted in so many different outfits and styles in art, and without doing a really thorough search, it's hard to tell what's a modern image of "the way things were" vs. how they really were. Certainly in my Google Image searches, I'd have to say that the strongest resemblance I saw was indeed to the Knights Templar, but there were certainly good resemblances with other groups of knights as well (and, of course, between the groups themselves). So I'm not really sure if you can say they resemble only the Knights Templar, but I can see a case being made. Long story short, even trying to form an opinion, I'm still up in the air on this one! :) --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 14:55, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Basically, it would be like making a notice that the apple and orange are so related because they are fruits, completely ignoring the fact that there are other fruits. Same here. There are other knights. So pointing out a similarity that stretches throughout history and throughout the orders is an erroneous notion. --Mr. Oblivion(T-C) 15:00, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
My definition of easter eggs is taken from here, and on the "Put There by the Creators for Personal Reasons" and "ENTERTAINING!" (their caps) criteria, this one fails.
There's a difference between making a reference and making an easter egg. See the St Jahn's Wort entry above. What we have here is a knightly order that shews a device on its livery. This will have been designed with reference to previous knightly orders, but simply cannot be claimed to be an easter egg. "Personal Reasons"? No - historical reasons. Knights dressed as knights isn't an e-egg. We may as well have "Beggars wear cheap clothing. This is clearly a reference to how beggars wear cheap clothing in real life".
One feature of the human brain that has made it so successful is that it is a brilliant pattern-recognition device. Unfortunately, now that it's engaged in more cerebral activities than "That's a lion - run!", "That's a tasty fruit - eat" or "That's a tasty (male/female - delete according to gender and/or preference)", it starts to spot patterns that simply don't exist. The most famous recent are examples are about people seeing Jesus in clouds/Marmite/pizza/whatever as some kind of sign rather than pure chance. What WE get is people saying "X (sounds/looks like/reminds me) a bit of Y" and claiming an easter egg.
Look at the Unfriendly Competition quest (see the article for details). "Oford Gabings" is obviously meant to refer to "Frodo Baggins" given the cursed ring reference in the manifest, but there's nothing to suggest that the Weatherward Circlet is anything to do with the One Ring. What happened is that people added two things together and matched a pattern that really doesn't match.
I've just gone through the first few entries and added references for some entries whilst removing one and adding VNs for the rest (do we want a separate tag for cite?). All the other entries should be given a citation. If there isn't one that can be found, the egg should go. Let's stop hosting anybody's personal theories here. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 17:10, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
Perhaps it would be better to have a separate page for items that are not obvious eggs, or are real-world references (or whatever) that would be of interest to some people, but do not fall into the egg category? I remember re-vamping this page about a year ago and taking out things I thought were too far out there, but I think it would be a waste to just garbage anything that could be interesting but isn't "up to par". As for citations, I would say one simple thing: this isn't Wikipedia. If you strongly feel that everything on this page should be cited, start a topic on it here (or Community Portal or wherever) and we'll get consensus on it. Personally, I think that's going way overboard. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 19:53, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
I think this discussion has proved to ourselves that "easter egg" is too specific a term to be applied to a page that deals with cultural and other such references as much as it does with genuine easter eggs. The appearance of the KotN/Knights Templar "reference" on the easter eggs page is a result of not having an appropriate page for it to appear on. As a wet-behind-the-ears editor I'm reluctant to try this myself, but I am certain we need a new page for cultural references wherein we can decide upon the above, and other references without concerning ourselves with their value as eggs.
On the topic at hand, I am swayed by Rpeh's point that there were other knights than the Templars, that they were all likely called crusaders, bearing similar armour, devoted to slicing and dicing in the name of religion and that only recognising one particular group of these is somewhat ignorant. However I have to to remind myself that the first thing I thought (and what I imagine many players will have thought) upon seeing KotN was "ah look they're like the Knights Templar..." and although this might be a result of ignorance to other orders of knights, it is an ignorance born of the much greater fame and recognition they gathered over such orders.(Gsd.SteVB 10:48, 23 June 2009 (EDT))

[edit] Missing Oblivion Easter Egg

Moved from Administrator Noticeboard.

The item known as "Skull of Corruption" is a reference to Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne by Blizzard, in which, when playing as the Undead, the player has access to an item called Skull of Corruption which creates a small area of blight at a targeted area.

- Shaun Hendren-McMillan 09-06-2009 4:18am

Sorry but the Scull of Corruption was in Arena from 1994 and Warcraft III: Frozen Throne was released in 2003

[edit] Order of the Dragon

Upon finishing the main quest, you are inducted into the Order of the Dragon and given the title: Champion of Cyrodiil. The Order of the Dragon is a German and Italian society. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon 174.101.24.142 20:27, 9 June 2009 (EDT)Dave

"Order of the ..." is not an unusual name. This commonly refers to a symbol (e.g. Order of the Lion). So this is just a coincidence, since the Dragon has been a symbol longer than when this title was invented for the game. --Timenn < talk > 08:15, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

[edit] St. Jahn's Wort

St. Jahn's Wort, a plant that can be found growing all across Cyrodil (one place you can find it is outside Tidewater cave near Leyawiin), is actually an herbal supplement used in real life. Spelled St. John's Wort IRL, this herb is actually used as an all natural anti-depressant (in the game it's alchemical properties are resist shock and damage health). The in-game plant and real life one look exactly the same as well. Not a big easter egg, but an easter egg nonetheless! --ThetaGoddess 22:51, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

There are many fungus Oblivion that actually exist. Examples are: Aloe Vera, Tiger Lily, Fly Amanita and so on. It just means that the designers based the fungus on that of the real world. --Timenn < talk > 08:22, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
Indeed. The only one that might qualify as an easter egg is Carrot, with its Night-Eye effect (ie, helping you to see in the dark). Even there, I'm inclined to leave it off. Maybe if it had been the first effect it would be worthy of inclusion. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 09:09, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Blackwood

Am I the only person who thinks Blackwood Company sounds similar to Blackwater in real life? --195.195.166.31 13:35, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

While it's possible, I'm not sure if anybody really knew who Blackwater was when the game was first made. You'd have to check when they became popular vs. when the game was released. Even then, I think it'd be hard to prove anything concretely. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 13:52, 16 June 2009 (EDT)
Considering Blackwood has been a Real place in Elder Scrolls lore, I'm sure the name was just added to fit with it. I doubt it's based off anything. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lucky the Cat Guy (talk • contribs) on 01:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC).

[edit] Citation Requirement

The main Easter Eggs page has recently been changed to suggest that citations should be given for each entry on the page. While I understand the reasoning behind this, as there are often some entries either added or suggested based on fairly weak links, this has never been a requirement before, and I really don't think changing it at this late date is warranted. As I said above, "This isn't Wikipedia." Given the two opposed viewpoints on this, I would like to ask for consensus before we either continue with the citation requirement or revert the edits. (And if we revert, I would suggest leaving the existing citations in place, as there's certainly no harm in their being there.) Thanks! --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 19:24, 16 June 2009 (EDT), edited --19:26, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

While I think it's a good idea to include citations where available, I think requiring a citation for every entry is unnecessary. By including the citations we do know, we are making it clear enough to anyone viewing the page that the non-cited entries are based on speculation. There's certainly no need to remove the good suggestions just because we can't prove them. I say we make an effort to cite the things we can, but otherwise we should continue using our best judgment as new suggestions come up. –Eshetalk 19:34, 16 June 2009 (EDT)
Late response... I agree that not everything needs a citation as many of the items are fairly obvious, but where we're stating something non-obvious as fact (the "Document of Purile Banter" egg for instance) I think it's fair enough to ask for proof. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 11:10, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Found verification for The Main Ingredient

The Main Ingredient in Maryland. --Tanranka 04:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added that to the page. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 07:31, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Black Rock Pirates/ Black Rock Caverns

The Black Rock has been shown in a few episodes of the television show LOST.There is no sense in putting all of the information here because it will just make me look stupid. But for others, it is worth looking into.

````—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.94.14.189 (talk • contribs) on 26 June 2009.

"Black rock" sounds very common. It's a very common word in combination with a very common (and relevant) adjective. No Easter Egg. --Timenn < talk > 14:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
This discussion is present on the Black Rock Caverns talk page as well. Wolok gro-Barok 14:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
The discussion is 2 years old, we should keep it here. As for my opinion, due the relative common words of the two, it is no dice for me. --Mr. Oblivion(T-C) 16:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't suggesting moving this discussion, but just adding a reference. On that page is also a good reason for not counting this as an easter egg. Wolok gro-Barok 17:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Am I crazy?

Ok, so on the right side (coming from the exterior entrance) of the IC market district, I found a crate (on top of another crate, against the wall left of the statue) that when you target it comes up "transmogrifier." When you try to activate it it says things like "Boink!" and "Scientific progress goes boink?", which are direct quotes from the Calvin and Hobbes series of cartoons. (see jon3.GIF)

Is this in the vanilla, or only in OOO? Please someone look for me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.191.155.184 (talk • contribs) on 05:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC).

It's the mod. It is not found in the game itself. --Timenn-<talk> 10:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Tribute: Bad Medicine

I believe its safe to say that the Dark Brotherhood mission title "Bad Medicine" (I believe it's the 1st quest given by Ocheeva and assigned with the 'slayer' advancement) was most likely inspired by the Bon Jovi hit "Bad Medicine." Now I am not a huge Bon Jovi fan but i feel its worthy of note, and always was a little "egg" that i noticed and liked in my Oblivion journey. I'm singing it right now as I'm on my way to assasinate Roderick at Fort Sutch. A most fun quest. BalmorasFinest 01:14, 4 July 2009 (UTC) Matthew 4.3.09-17:14

Besides a similar name, there are no similarities between the two. It isn't worth mentioning. –Elliot(T-C) 01:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
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