Oblivion talk:Adoring Fan

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What is the point of this page? Maybe it should be renamed something else. With the exception of the first sentence, everything in it refers to stuff you can do with any NPC that follows you. The page seems to suggest that these tricks are unique to the Adoring Fan, which they're not. They're just a collection of console cheats you can use to give any NPC better gear. Nothing you couldn't figure out on your own on the Console page, though admittedly there's some potential merit in having these related cheats on one page. But really, it has nothing to do with the Adoring Fan in particular, he's just one of many people you can use this on. (Completion of the Mages Guild or Dark Brotherhood quests also give you access to NPCs you can have follow you around, for example, and the same tricks will work with them.) --TheRealLurlock 15:59, 27 September 2006 (EDT)

IMHO, I personally don't think this belongs in the Factions category, but rather in the NPCs category (after all, the Adoring Fan is an NPC that you will encounter if you complete the Arena Quests). Perhaps the console cheats belong on a different page? In addition, I think the Arena quests page has information about the Adoring Fan that really belongs on the Adoring Fan page, not on the Arena Quests page. --Hoggwild5 17:10, 9 October 2006 (EDT)

Contents 1 Major Weeding 2 Adoring Fan is missing! 3 Missing Adoring Fan. 4 Shivering Isles 5 Training with your Fan 6 dark brotherhood 7 Try this! 8 Adoring fan kid? 9 The adoring horror 10 Fighting for you 11 Butler 12 Behavior mysteries 13 Famous way of killing the Adoring fan 14 The adoring fan is not a kid 15 Bound Items 16 Infinite gold-looting 17 Squished Hair 18 Battle for Bruma 19 Adoring Fan's Health Value

[edit] Major Weeding

I was disappointed when I was copyediting this page when I found it was loaded down with crap. The whole page was essentially said "He does not fight except in rare circumstances" over and over again in different ways, and the many glitches related to the Adoring Fan only occured if someone had been mucking with the console. If anyone has any questions about why I removed any section in particular, feel free to ask. --Aristeo | Talk 12:23, 22 November 2006 (EST)

[edit] Adoring Fan is missing!

A while ago, when i was doing the when i was doing the DB quest where you kill the guy (censored for spoilerproofed) in the fort, i brought along a mages guild member and adoring fan. we killed him, and i left. after slow traveling for a bit, the adoring fan and the mages guild apprentace were killed or ran off. (cant remember.) But he Hasn't respawned, and i cant get any Mage apprentices to follow me any more. Any ideas?

(And No, i dont have acess to console-i have it for X360.)

-m'aiq the liar 19:31, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Since they haven't respawned, it's a pretty safe bet they're not dead. (Personally I'd count my blessings for not having that annoying useless bugger trailing you everywhere, but never mind that.) Odds are, they're wandering around in the wilderness somewhere looking for you. (Since hostiles only spawn when you're near, they're safe from being killed if you're not around them.) Best bet is to go back to wherever you last saw them and wait around. They may eventually track you down. May take a long time, though, if it works at all. Good luck. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 21:56, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Hmm...i waited 3 days near there, but no results so far. Beth needs to make a patch that adds a map arrow for adoring fan, or make it so you can warp to him.

UpDate: what if i put them on stay? i might have, i forgot. -m'aiq the liar 19:44, 17 January 2007 (EST)

If you told them to stay, they will probably be near to where you left them. (They wander a little bit, and the Adoring Fan has a tendency to run from anything dangerous, so he might be further away.) Since you waited for them near there, however, that may be unlikely. More likely is that you left them there and went very far away for a while, and just before they caught up to you, you went back or something. I don't know how long it takes NPCs to cross the entire world on foot, but it could easily be a long hike, particularly if they get caught on things along the way. (They tend to get confused by fences around farms, for example.) Unfortunately, other than waiting or loading an earlier save, I know of no other solutions that don't require the console. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 23:48, 17 January 2007 (EST)

Dang. Oh well, just wanted to hurtle him off dive rock. BTW, my oldest save is level 8 or 13. Waaaaay before i did the arena i think.

I have had a similiar sort of problem...after i've blasted the Adoring Fan off of Dive Rock, he never respawned in the arena district, however, when i was in aerins camp, i noticed a little glimmer coming from through the trees...it was AF holding a torch. Somehow he respawned at aerins camp.

[edit] Missing Adoring Fan.

Recently my brother has been playing Oblivion. Shortly after he had the Adoring Fan attached to his backside, my brother went into an Oblivion Gate and told the fan to wait there. Sadly, We have not seen the Annoying Fan since. ^_^ Zerotolerance06 02:53, 3 March 2007 (EST)ZeroTolerance06

me too...i left adoring fan in the oblivion gate....=(

Similar here- I had fan follow me through the oblivion gate and he got chased around by one of those dremora guys. I ran off towards the tower portal and although I traveled through a lot of areas, he never reappeared with me. I did manage to get a few points of sneak from him though... I never told him to stop following me but he appears to have become stranded in oblivion.

Well you can try look at the arena district if he is there, if not your in my boat, I told him to stay somewhere a long time ago i went back and he was dead and won't respawn. If you have the pc you can spwn him as many times as you want. -Western3589 17:46, 8 November 2007 (EST)

I had that problem too a couple of times, the first the gate just shot him upwards when i closed the gate and he came back down to ground and respawned later, the second i found him when going i was through a different oblivion gate that must of lead to the same world, so that would be your best bet.--Marleysexton 02:57, 24 February 2008 (EST)

My AF loss was sad, but hilarious. After running to a Sigil Stone too fast and stranding him in an alternate dimension, I found about 20 dead Adoring Fan bodies floating in the water at Anvil. He later respawned at Arborwatch, only to disappear again when I left the house. The bodies had also disappeared from the harbour. Puzzled, I lived about a year without him before finding him, dead and shirtless, in Aerin's Camp. I've never seen the poor bugger since. --Thefishnamedcarl (PS I know I didn't actually post this while logged in, but the login isn't working on my PC lately.)

[edit] Shivering Isles

Adoring Fan does not follow the player to the Shivering Isles (at least not in my game; I've added this information to the page). Does anyone know of any tricks to get him to enter the portal? --Ma.rkus.nl 08:59, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

I think the portal is a scripted teleport, rather than a traditional door. Thus it's quite likely that NO followers will be able to accompany you through it in either direction. If you're on the PC, you can of course use the console to spawn a new Adoring Fan or whoever else you want. If you're on XBox, however, there's probably no way to do it, though you might try killing him and then entering the portal to see if he respawns in the Shivering Isles? I don't think any other follower is likely to do this, but he might. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 09:30, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Looks like someone tested it, and not only does he respawn, the "I HAVE NO GREETING" bug gets him to finally shut the f*** up! Shivering Isles is officially the best expansion ever.65.14.2.104 21:28, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Training with your Fan

Just put your difficulty level really high and keep attacking him, when he's about to die just fast travel to another location and he'll be full health again!

Or wait one hour in the game. Western3589 17:47, 8 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] dark brotherhood

about the comment where it says you could kill him as an effective way to join the dark brotherhood, you must complete the arena to get him. and by completing he arena, you must kill the champion, counting as a murder... which defeats the purpose of using the adoring fan for a murder, right? ^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.197.19.61 (talk • contribs).}

Killing the Grey Prince in the Arena only counts as a murder if you've gone through his quest. So yes, you could use the Adoring Fan as your ticket to the Dark Brotherhood, so long as you did not complete the Origin of the Gray Prince quest. --Eshe 23:40, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

I must be the only one who likes the fan :P hes fun to have around especially when you can make him fall down mountains or drown himself etc :D

I like having the Adoring Fan too. The only problem is that sometimes he doesn't respawn and goes missing forever, much like the Dark brotherhood Murder and Mage Apprentices. --Sundaroct131088 16:22, 7 September 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Try this!

Try taking the fan to the bottomless pit in Sinkhole Cave and pushing him in!-Mr. V 14:21, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

Try going to dive rock, and telling the unfortunate fan to beat it! He will run away...straight over the edge :]

[edit] Adoring fan kid?

I think it is possible that the adoring fan is the only child in the game. Is that true?

If he's a child, and it's not explicitly clear that he is, he's the only one, yes. =) IWon'tFightUndead 15:14, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

He doesn't talk like a child. I think he's just short.

The game makes him seem like a kid by making him the shortest race in the game but he is an adult

I don't think they CAN make him a kid. its against some British law to put kids in violent situations.

Bethesda is based in Maryland in the United States, not in Britain. IWon'tFightUndead 01:27, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] The adoring horror

One time when I pushed the adoring fan off dive rock (didn't kill just pushed of the edge). He appeared behind me and started slashing me with his dagger until I fell off dive rock and died. What happened? --Swiftstar Hahahahah, the irony, I guess he wanted to take revenge for 'everyone' throwing him off dive rock, and he took it out on you! I'm sorry, I just had to type this after five minutes of laughing. Seems like the fan only fights when he can win. - Korunox 10:21, 24 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Fighting for you

I think I've found out how to get the adoring fan to fight for you. give him an enchanted bound weapon(pickpocketing one on him). He always fights for me when I do this. I don't know why, but it has to be enchanted. I usually give him bound armor too, but I believe the weapon is the only things that's necessary.

I seem to only be able to reverse-pickpocket torches and keys.

[edit] Butler

One of my friends used him as butler: had him hold a Torch and told him to wait by his house, so he was always there with light and a greeting. I did the same and it's unbelievably annoying. Every time I enter my shack...

"BY AZURA! BY AZURA! BY AZURA!"

Shut up!!!Robed Dawnbringer 16:45, 22 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] Behavior mysteries

Adoring Fan's got too many unknown behaviors. I'm talking about the fact that he might attack an approaching enemy even if it's a most unusual behavior... Or that glitch that you can pickpocket him repeatedly.
See Adoring Fan to understand what I'm talking about: these are the matters that somebody should figure out to eventually arrange the section.

• My personal opinion is the following: after a brief look in the CS (this datum is also written in the table at the beginning of the page), I think that those cases of very rare will of fight are caused by his Aggression set to 5. Anybody could understand that 0 means "not aggressive", while 5 means "very very very very low aggressiveness", but surely not as if it was 0.
  I haven't experienced this glitch since I told my Fan to wait just outside the Arena after the fight with the Grey Prince (yes, I couldn't stand him even before I first met him =D )... Anyway Aggression 5 should mean that there is even a very slight chance for him to become aggressive.
  As you can also read in Aggression, this parameter set to 5 implies that he will never attack... indeed this allows him to fight in self-defense, even if in rare occasions.
• About pickpocketing, I admit I have no idea!

FstTesla 04:58, 7 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Famous way of killing the Adoring fan

There are alot of Youtube clips involving killing the adoring fan at Dive Rock.

Wow, really?!

[edit] The adoring fan is not a kid

At first I thought the Adoring Fan was a kid, but I think the reason he carries a dagger is to confirm he's not. ^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.174.98.29 (talk • contribs).}

You obviously don't live in London... –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 04:21, 12 January 2008 (EST)

Or NY.

[edit] Bound Items

If I reverse-pickpocket my perma-bound equipment onto him, will he equip it all? Or will it just sit in his inventory, gathering dust? ImmortalKaine 03:57, 13 January 2008 (EST)

He should put them on as soon as he gets into combat so an easy way to make him wear them is to punch him (always satisfying) and then yield. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 04:06, 13 January 2008 (EST)

I like to go into sneak mode and punch him in the groin ^-^ ImmortalKaine 04:07, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Ok so it worked. However, I placed the armour onto him at the arena, then, when I walked into the next district, he equipped it all and looked hella sweet. When I fast-travelled to Frostcrag Spire to make him wait by the door as a Dremora butler, he seemingly unequipped and in the process, lost the entire set + a bound war axe. I pickpocketed him to get it back, but it was gone. Whats going on? I'm trying different sequences of putting the armour on and fast travelling, but so far nothings worked to make him keep the armour on when I fast travel. ImmortalKaine 03:10, 14 January 2008 (EST)

LMAO I just summoned a Dremora, then used a Frenzy spell on him and he punched the Dremora (i stole his dagger) and the Dremora turned around and smoked him in the head, killing him instantly. ImmortalKaine 03:18, 14 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Infinite gold-looting

I know why it'll sometimes let you loot gold from him infinitely. The game thinks you're being caught by Adoring Fan and re-opens his inventory, but it doesn't take the gold out. As soon as you pickpocket him without the game thinking you've been caught, then it takes the gold away, ending your infinite looting. Just happened to me. ImmortalKaine 01:55, 14 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Squished Hair

Reverse-pickpocketing a permanent-Bound Helmet onto the Adoring Fan, then killing him, causes his hair to be squished the next time he respawns without the helmet..

I just tested this, and I could not get it to work. The Adoring Fan respawns with normal hair. The procedure:

• Cast Bound Helmet
• Repaired Bound Helmet to 125% and put it on the ground
• Picked the Helmet up after the Bound Helmet effect had worn off, and gave (reverse pickpocket) it to the Adoring Fan.
• I attacked the Adoring Fan, causing him to flee, and waited for a few hours.
• He reappeared, wearing the helmet. I killed him and waited long enough for him to respawn.

When he respawned he had normal hair.

Perhaps someone who is able to get this bug working can offer a screenshot? --Timenn < talk > 18:12, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Yeah, I can't seem to find any evidence this is true.

[edit] Battle for Bruma

I had my Adoring Fan and two Mage's Guild Apprentices follow me into the battle to defend Bruma. All three fought to their death. I casted a rally spell at the beginning of the battle to get him to fight instead of flee. Just one more NPC to make the battle a little easier for you, in my opinion. --Mole126 12:23, 09 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Adoring Fan's Health Value

The page states that he has 15 health. This simply is incorrect! I spawned him using the console, and told him to wait by dive rock, where I slashed him with umbra. Umbra currently does 30+ damage for me, and I did a power attack at full fatigue and full repair of umbra. He didn't die. He didn't die when i shot him with a 70 point shock spell, either :(. How is his HP per Level determined? I assume it would be whatever his endurance is for his level (which is 6 lower than player's current level) + 15? If that's the case, could the page be updated to reflect that he will often have more than 15 hp? --Scxe 23:29, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Good point. His health is leveled. The full equations used to calculate NPC health are different from those used for the player, and are detailed at Oblivion:NPCs. I've added the appropriate equation to the article. --Nephele^Talk 23:58, 23 February 2008 (EST)