Oblivion talk:Agronak gro-Malog

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Contents 1 Race 2 The Consequences of Defeating Agronak gro-Malog in the Arena 3 Companion? 4 Huh? 5 Name 6 Murder 7 Theory on Agronak

[edit] Race

Should we have that he is of two races? His mother was an Orc, but his father was an Imperial (though a vampire). Does just saying he is an "Orc" suffice? Michael 15:16, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

I think having the text explain his mixed parentage is sufficient. Adding him to the Imperial category or adding Imperial to his infobox starts to get misleading, however, because in terms of the game he is treated as a pure Orc. His statistics are calculated using Orc attribute levels and Orc skill bonuses; if you kill him for Molag Bal's quest he will count only as an Orc soul, etc. So I don't see that having his name show up in the list of Imperial NPCs will help with playing the game, IMHO. --Nephele 16:45, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

I agree. His parentage is purely verbal in-game lore, not reflected in his actual statistics. Thus there is no reason to insert it into the infobox. -- JustTheBast 17:25, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Plus, there's lore that suggests that in the Tamriel universe, children always inherit their mother's race, never their father. (Of course, this could really just be a bit of weaseling to explain why there are no cross-breed races in the game, but whatever.) --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 00:02, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

That's interesting. Thanks. Michael 02:12, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

[edit] The Consequences of Defeating Agronak gro-Malog in the Arena

Should there be some information about the consequences of defeating Agronak gro-Malog in the arena? Challenging Agronak without first completing the "Origin of the Gray Prince" quest results in lost bonus opportunities, but defeating him afterward is considered a murder, the first of which results in a visit from the Dark Brotherhood.

Note that in the latter case, Frenzy and Rage spells do not seem to make any difference in Agronak's behavior or the results of defeating him, but the player cannot leave the arena without defeating Agronak, so the player is forced to be marked as a murderer just to escape the arena. Brian Sexton 06:35, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

This is discussed both at Arena (faction) and at Origin of the Gray Prince, so I'm not sure how much more needs to be added here. In particular since the issue really only makes a difference in terms of how to complete one stage of a quest, the details really belong on that quest's page, namely at Oblivion:Arena (faction)#Champion Match. There is definitely some reorganization and cleanup that needs to be done with the article (i.e., half of the details relevant here are stuck under Three Especially Difficult Fights; they should all be combined in one place). If you're interested in the Arena fights, any help you could provide on that article would really be appreciated :) --Nephele^Talk 03:13, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Companion?

Anyone know if this fella can be used as a companion (Toaster Says Share) if you insert a rumours topic with the console? (i.e. will he he attack enemies if recruited?) Spite Your Face 03:27, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Huh?

What does "malapropism" mean?

Wikipedia knows all. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 19:04, 13 December 2008 (EST)

[edit] Name

It is my understanding that orc naming conventions were as follows: male orc= (name) gro-(fathers name) (eg. Burz gro-Khash), female orc+ (name) gra-(mothers name), (eg Snak gra-Bura). If I am correct then Agronak's name should technically be Agronak gro-Lovidicus, as that was his fathers name, it is also definitely not his mother's name as Lord Lovidicus' journal names her as Luktuv. The journal also suggests that Luktuv was angry when she discovered Lovidicus' secret, so that could be why she did not use his name (plus gro-Lovidicus sounds ridiculous!). I dont really know if this deserves to go on the page, but I just thought I should point it out. The-manta 13:50, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

I will assume they take the Orc name; however, mixing of races isn't the norm in Tamriel. Also, notice this part of the journal:

That is the only way to accurately describe my love, the maiden gro-Malog.

I think that explains it. --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 17:37, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Ah, um, yes it certainly would. I'm thinking I should probably stop making groundless points related to NPC names. And take the time to read things properly...

The-manta 18:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Murder

Is there any way to defeat him (after doing the quest) without getting another murder on your statistics? Thanks! SwedishBerzerker at youtube.com 11:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

In a word: no. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 11:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I was able to kill him (after completing his quest) with a (non-immediate) damage health poison without having it count as murder. -Fritzdis 02:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by "non-immediate"? –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 04:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I mean that I used a created poison that does damage over time rather a built-in poison that does the damage all at once as soon as the strike is delivered. This allowed me to verify that it was the poison that killed him (which the crime page indicates does not count as murder). -Fritzdis 19:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget thet there is always the Sanguine Rose to use when you don't want murder anyone ;)

[edit] Theory on Agronak

Well, I noticed that Agronak is paler than most orcs, and I thought that was because he shares blood with a vampire. And since Vampires are dead white, this would explain that. Anyone have any comments on this?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arch-Mage Matt (talk • contribs) on 18:03, 2 July 2009.

Yes, I guess that's the correct explanation. It's not too hard to come up with that theory, though. Wolok gro-Barok 16:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright...for those using the PC version of Oblivion...you can kill him without it being 'murder'...hit the tithe key(not sure of the name..sorry.)..it's located to the left of the 1 key,and above the left tab key.Now..kill the Gray Prince first,take his armour,weapons..etc...Now hit the tithe key.The screen will freeze.Type in resurrect,and then mouse click on the Gray Prince,and then hit enter,and the tithe key again.The Grey Prince will be resurrected,complete with body armour..etc.Leave the arena,give the stuff to the grumpy woman.You'll be Grand Champion,and it won't be murder.