Oblivion talk:Agronak gro-Malog

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[edit] Race

Should we have that he is of two races? His mother was an Orc, but his father was an Imperial (though a vampire). Does just saying he is an "Orc" suffice? Michael 15:16, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

I think having the text explain his mixed parentage is sufficient. Adding him to the Imperial category or adding Imperial to his infobox starts to get misleading, however, because in terms of the game he is treated as a pure Orc. His statistics are calculated using Orc attribute levels and Orc skill bonuses; if you kill him for Molag Bal's quest he will count only as an Orc soul, etc. So I don't see that having his name show up in the list of Imperial NPCs will help with playing the game, IMHO. --Nephele 16:45, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

I agree. His parentage is purely verbal in-game lore, not reflected in his actual statistics. Thus there is no reason to insert it into the infobox. -- JustTheBast 17:25, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Plus, there's lore that suggests that in the Tamriel universe, children always inherit their mother's race, never their father. (Of course, this could really just be a bit of weaseling to explain why there are no cross-breed races in the game, but whatever.) --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 00:02, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

That's interesting. Thanks. Michael 02:12, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

[edit] The Consequences of Defeating Agronak gro-Malog in the Arena

Should there be some information about the consequences of defeating Agronak gro-Malog in the arena? Challenging Agronak without first completing the "Origin of the Gray Prince" quest results in lost bonus opportunities, but defeating him afterward is considered a murder, the first of which results in a visit from the Dark Brotherhood.

Note that in the latter case, Frenzy and Rage spells do not seem to make any difference in Agronak's behavior or the results of defeating him, but the player cannot leave the arena without defeating Agronak, so the player is forced to be marked as a murderer just to escape the arena. Brian Sexton 06:35, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

This is discussed both at Arena (faction) and at Origin of the Gray Prince, so I'm not sure how much more needs to be added here. In particular since the issue really only makes a difference in terms of how to complete one stage of a quest, the details really belong on that quest's page, namely at Oblivion:Arena (faction)#Champion Match. There is definitely some reorganization and cleanup that needs to be done with the article (i.e., half of the details relevant here are stuck under Three Especially Difficult Fights; they should all be combined in one place). If you're interested in the Arena fights, any help you could provide on that article would really be appreciated :) --Nephele^Talk 03:13, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Companion?

Anyone know if this fella can be used as a companion (Toaster Says Share) if you insert a rumours topic with the console? (i.e. will he he attack enemies if recruited?) Spite Your Face 03:27, 21 August 2007 (EDT)