Oblivion talk:Boethia's Shrine/Description

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The page this description is for, Ob:Boethia's Shrine, redirects to Oblivion:Boethia, so what use is the description page? If there's some hidded purpose, can you explain it to me? If not, can we delete it? 209.175.13.34 13:18, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Deep in the fabric of time and space, there is a reason. Boethia's Shrine is a place and Boethia is a quest. Although there's not enough to warrant a whole page about both, having separate Description pages means that if somebody uses the Place Link template thusly: {{Place Link|Boethia's Shrine}}, they get the description for the place but if they use Quest Link like this: {{Quest Link|Boethia}}, they get the description for the quest. It might sound a bit over the top, but it does make sense! –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:29, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Ah. I see. Thank you for the speedy reply! 209.175.13.34 13:32, 14 January 2008 (EST)

I still think the reason provided here for the existence of these place /Description subpages is valid, and I don't know of anything that has changed in the last nine months to now make these pages unnecessary. Basically, "Boethia's Shrine" is a place that is displayed on players' in-game maps, so editors should be able to create a Place Link to Boethia's Shrine, and should expect that the Place Link will work; editors should not have to spend extra time recreating this Description page when the page has already been created. If we're going to have Description subpages for some daedric shrines (e.g., Oblivion:Hermaeus Mora's Shrine/Description, used on pages such as Unmarked Roads), for consistency we should keep all of the daedric shrine /Description subpages.

And in case a concrete example of the potential usefulness of this page is necessary, let me provide one. Someone might decide to add the daedric shrines to the region pages, auch as Valus Mountains), where I'd say that Boethia's Shrine is at least as relevant to readers as Doomed Mine. --Nephele^Talk 15:30, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Hey, don't look at me - I just saw a bunch of orphaned subpages sitting in the Proposed Deletion category and figured people had changed their minds on this issue. Well, if they're going to be used on the Regions pages, I'd say we should go ahead and do that, so that we don't have a bunch of stuff cluttering up Orphaned Pages. That or make actual location pages for the shrines, with, I don't know, maybe a list of the worshippers at each place and a link to the quest - not much else you could say about them. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 19:52, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

The reason I put them up for deletion despite my comment above is that it's been nine months and they're still orphaned. There comes a point at which we start to be the wiki equivalent of keeping some old string around because it might come in handy. Use the pages or get rid of them. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 00:49, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

The description pages are no longer orphaned. As I previously stated, keeping the pages wasn't just based upon they "might come in handy" but upon at least one concrete example of a set of pages that needed place links added for these shrines. Those links have now been added.

Also, if the underlying problem here is that needed pages are cluttering up the Orphaned Pages special page, perhaps there need to be more ways of dealing with the problem than just deleting the orphans. After all, there are actually hundreds of orphaned pages on the site that need to be kept even though they will always be orphans: countless redirects, as well as a ton of Disambiguation Pages that have been artificially removed from the list. In other words, orphaned pages aren't inherently forbidden. But that's probably a general discussion that's outside the scope of this particular issue. --Nephele^Talk 20:00, 22 October 2008 (EDT)