Oblivion talk:Boots of Springheel Jak

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Whilst on this quest I was pilfering his private chamber in the top of his house when I found a book on "Imbel Genealogy" and a quest-update that I should discuss it with the gray fox. I didn't get the chance to do so, he was to busy thinking to talk to me. Can anybody elaborate?

Whenever I talk to Jakben, he only can talk about rumors, and not about giving me the key to the crypt. I hope someone could help me with this detrimental glitch. EDIT: After repeatedly trying to talk to him, it came across my mind that killing him may give me acsess to the key to the crypt, and while searching his body, I found he was wearing the Boots of Springheel Jak. My problem was sovled, and I never had to venture in the cellar.

Contents 1 anagram? 2 Second workaround for Jakben not appearing 3 Workaround for bug 4 Reward? 5 Getting the boots early 6 Bugs 7 Another bug for you! 8 Fathis Ules Bug? 9 Diary Change?

[edit] anagram?

I'm not sure if Jackben Imbel is technically an anagram of Jack be Nimbel, because the order of the letters haven't been rearranged. A correct anagram would be climb jab knee or jab ben lick me etc. Grandmaster z0b 21:31, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

But it is an anagram of "Jack be nimble", which is the correct spelling :) --Nephele^Talk 21:45, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

I just happened to be editing this page and wanted to nominate Nephele's reply as the best response ever. That is all :) —Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 20:01, 30 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] Second workaround for Jakben not appearing

After reading the diary in the crypt, I encountered the glitch listed on the main page about Jakben not appearing. I found him in his private quarters, where our battle ensued. I grabbed the boots and was on my way.

[edit] Workaround for bug

After doing this action:

The Gray Fox will simply stand there saying "Not now. I need to think" when you try and talk to him. You can fix this glitch by typing setstage TG10Boots 50 in the command line, in order for the quest to finish. When you will have fenced 1000 gold, the next and final quest will be enabled.

The independent thievery quest did not appear. Typing setstage TG10boots 55 caused both the beginning and completion of 1000 gold fenced quest.

Just some info, thought I'd never be able to finish...

[edit] Reward?

You don't actually get the boots of springheel jack as a reward do you? He takes it back i believe. Or did the creator of the page just put it there because the player gets it back in the next quest? --Piercethetruth 04:57, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Good point. I just removed the boots from the reward and added the gold. Thanks for that! --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 02:36, 16 November 2007 (EST)

lol oh good, I just finished the quest for the first time and the gray fox took them away from me, i got kind of worried. --Piercethetruth 04:42, 16 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] Getting the boots early

I have found that it is possible to pickpocket the boots from Jackben early, as in before starting the quest or even the guild storyline (I believe this is mentioned in the page already). However, I have also found that this appears to cause a glitch in the game that, as of yet, I have not been able to work around (I am on Xbox 360, by the way). If done before receiving any of the Grey Fox missions, the Grey Fox will be where he should during the mission, and if you are trying to start another mission for him, it will not trigger- Amusei/Methredel won't come to you. I've tried the workaround of comitting a crime and paying the fine, which should make Methredel/Amusei spawn next to me, but that didn't work.

I am currently trying to locate Methredel, as I have found Amusei but he won't give me the go-ahead to start first Grey Fox quest. Waiting outside of the cells of the Imperial City so they respawn apparently doesn't work either. I have tried to go retreive the item from the first mission, but it does not spawn. Neither does the Arrowhead. Also, even with the boots in my inventory, when I talk to the Grey Fox he just says "Don't you have something to do?"

In short: if you get the Boots of Springheel Jack before starting the first Grey Fox quests, it appears that you won't get the messenger coming to you to say the Grey Fox wants to see you. This might be because he's already in the game world, or it might not. None of the items for the other quests will spawn, either. The Grey Fox does not respond to me when I have the boots with me.

Can someone tell me if I'm the only one who's got this problem/encountered these circumstances? 70.252.182.106 19:07, 30 December 2007 (EST)

I've not heard of this before so it's quite possible you've discovered a new bug. Or at least, one that wasn't mentioned on the site before. It'll need a bit more research but will probably end up being put on the page so thanks for the tip! —Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 20:01, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Well, I found Methredel and she told me to go see the Grey Fox in Bruma. However, he was still in Cheydenhall, and I was able to complete the first quest normally. Only strange part was he was in Cheydenhal the whole time. Then, moving on to the Arrow of Extication quest, he doesn't appear in the house. I didn't find him in Bruma either, wierdly enough. I'll go check again though, make sure I didn't miss anything. 70.252.182.106 20:10, 30 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] Bugs

I thought I'd give editing another go. We'll see how it goes this time.

I edited the bugs section to add info that was given to me on the Oblivion boards pertaining to the 360 and PS3 versions of the game. The thread located at http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=812821 is the source of the information, but I don't know the correct format to insert sources or if that's even a standard here. --Alaston

Thanks for the information. I reworded the note to be more consistent with other such notes and contain less redundant information. For example, it is a universal problem on all versions of the game, but that's true of all information on the wiki, except when noted otherwise. And the fact that console commands are only available on the PC is implicit in the revised phrasing, and is explicitly stated in many other places (e.g., Oblivion:Console, Oblivion:Xbox 360, Oblivion:PS3), so we try not to repeat that information every time a console command gets mentioned in the bug notes. Just trying to explain some of the changes I made :) Also, a forum thread link isn't really necessary; it's straightforward to doublecheck and confirm the information using the Construction Set. --Nephele^Talk 14:51, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Cool enough. Thanks for the run-down. There's another bug/glitch I found tonight. I'm not certain which of two things caused the error, but I'm pretty it's #2.

1. I entered the library from the upper level rather than the lower level where most people would enter.

2. The blind monk actually opened the door for me (another monk was right in front of me), so I never threw the switch to get in the door.

The result of one/both of these events was that once I sat down at the appropriate place, combat started, except no one would hit me and I couldn't get back up. I had to re-load the game from here. I really do believe one MUST throw the switch behind the monk, and not take any short-cuts even if he's kind enough to open the door for you on his own. --Alaston

[edit] Another bug for you!

Um, I went to Jakbens room just as he was leaving it, so he saw me, but appeared in a different room. I read the genology, came down, talked to him. Tried to pickpocket his stuff, found that he could always see me, even with invisibility on. He brought his fists up, and started to follow me, but did not attack. Just as I was about to enter the basement, he equipped all his armor, etc. When I killed him his sword was gone. ^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.161.94.175 (talk • contribs).}

What about this is supposed to be a bug? And in particular, given this is a quest page, how is a missing sword a problem? You're after his boots, not his sword. --Nephele^Talk 17:05, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Fathis Ules Bug?

I'm not sure if I should add this here or to the discussion page of "The Ultimate Heist," but this page is a lot shorter, so here's my problem: I have successfully given the boots to the Gray Fox and have even been given my next assignment (steal 1000 gold worth of stolen goods). My new fence is apparently Fathis Ules. I steal some armor/weapons from a smith and head off towards the Imperial City to track down my new fence. He is in Dul gro-Shug's house. At the top of the stairs. Trying to open a locked door. And failing. However, I am still able to talk to him. When confronted he says, "Ah, yes, a guild brother in search of a fence?" I can talk to him, but cannot barter with him. I can discuss a variety of subjects with him and can even persuade him, but there is no bartering option. Has anyone encountered anything like this before (He has a dispostion of 81 at the moment, if that matters)? --21:31, 27 March 2008 (EDT)24.174.107.81

I don't know if this is a glitch or not, but I fixed it. Apparently punching my fence in the face reset him. Also got me thrown out of the guild. Pay the fine, and you'll find Fathis back in the orc's house. As soon as you enter the house (a guard was inside for some reason) you'll see that your fence exited at the same moment you entered. Follow him and he'll go sit on a box. Talk to him, and you finally have the bartering option. His dispotion will have dropped by about twenty. --24.174.107.81 21:34, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Actually, Fathis Ules' talk page would perhaps be the most appropriate place to discuss this, especially since the issue is already discussed on Fathis Ules's page, including a fix that doesn't involve getting thrown out of the guild or angering Fathis. --Nephele^Talk 22:12, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Ah, good point. I keep forgetting how extensive this wiki is. --24.174.107.81 22:37, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Fathis will use this greeting even if he's not currently buying or selling (ie has a travel package). He should trade when he's sitting on his merchant chest or is in the Oak and Crosier in Chorrol. Kivan 17:12, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Diary Change?

When people get the uncursed Cowl of Norturnal at the end of the quests shouldn't Jakben's diary be changed because he would have been able to remember Emer Dareloth back when he wrote the diary? Helper Unknown 21:08, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

That's actually a good point. I suppose it's just one of those little things that get overlooked. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 01:52, 12 July 2008 (EDT)