Oblivion talk:Border Watch

What is the relevance of the Elsweyr map on this page? Border Watch doesn't even appear on the map, and this it's not like you can visit Elsweyr in the game. (Even with the Borderless Oblivion mod, you can cut through, but there's nothing there, of course.) --TheRealLurlock 09:50, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

I agree that the map doesn't seem necessary. The text seems to pretty much provide all the relevant info, plus there is a link to the Elsweyr page where anyone who wants to see the map can. At the least, the map should be smaller, but I think it makes more sense to get rid of it. --Nephele 12:01, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Better image

Can someone actually get a image of Border Watch that actually is useful?--Most Honored Listener 18:21, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

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The Border Watch is two things. It is a small settlement, and a group of Khajiit soldiers. The settlement of Border Watch is located along the border of Elsweyr, the home of the Khajiit, and is just a few hundred feet away from the Green Road along the Lower Niben Bay. It has yet to be seen, though, why a group of Khajiit would be guarding the border against their own people. The most likely possibility is that they are Renrijra Krin operatives. It is known, however, that Count Marius Caro (Count of Leyawiin) has a hatred of Khajiit and Argonians, so it is entirely possible that the Border Watch soldiers are in the pocket of Count Caro. If you look at the Elsweyr map, it is located on the border just to the right of the city known as Rimmen.

This was the original description on this page, and after having spent altogether too much time trying to make sense out of this paragraph, I've decided to move it all here in the hope that someone else can explain it all.

I can't find any evidence of a group of Khajiit soldiers identified as the "Border Watch". The "BorderWatchFaction" is identified as "Border Watch Residents" with no suggestion that they're supposed to be soldiers. Every reference to Border Watch in the Oblivion.esm file is related to the town. Other than the name of the town, I'm not sure what suggests that the townspeople are guarding the border on behalf of Count Caro.

On the other hand, the mention of "Renrijra Krin" is somewhat mysterious. Ahzirr Traajijazeri is a book apparently introduced in Oblivion to describe the Renrijra Krin. S'razirr is a member of the Renrijra Krin, and there appears to be an incomplete quest related to Drels Theran and Talasma. That quest could well be why Marius and Alessia Caro are made out to be so xenophobic. So there seems to be some hidden story there, but I'm not sure why someone made the connection between the Renrijra Krin and Border Watch.

For now I'm just modifying the article to provide the basic, verifiable information about this town, instead of being forced to justify the presence of information that I don't understand. If someone else understands this better, feel free to update the article however seems appropriate. --Nephele^Talk 22:15, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

I simply felt as though the Oblivion map should be added and I assumed that the Elsweyr map was there for a rough approximation of a map thus replacing it I now see how there is lore involved.--Most Honored Listener 22:42, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Inventory Glitch??

As I was spying on the inhabitants of Border Watch for the NPC Redesign Project, I made a strange discovery; Their inventories are pretty screwed up! They all carry a ridiculous amount of clothing, even at lower levels - here's an example;

• Tsramla at level 2; Steel Warhammer, Breeches, Clogs, Fur Shield, Huntsman Vest, Oiled Linen Shoes, Patched Vest, Sack Cloth Pants(x2), Shirt with Suspenders, Stitched Leather Shoes.
• Tsramla at level 38; War Axe of Winter, Blacksmith's Pants(x2), Breeches, Burlap Vest, Clogs(x2), Flax Tunic, Laced Leather Pants(x4), Mithril Boots, Oiled Linen Shoes, Olive Vest, Rough Leather Shoes, Sack Cloth Pants and Shirt with Suspenders.

And that goes for every inhabitant! Except for M'dirr and Zabhila - for some reason, they have a "normal" amount of clothing, also on Level 38. Its probably also worth noting, that ALL weapons and armour in town are leveled, and that makes this village a goldmine for finding armor and enchanted weapons. Can anybody explain that enormous amount of clothing? It looks like a glitch to me... Krusty 05:13, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

Added: J'riska and Ri'Bassa also have pretty normal inventories at Lvl 38... Krusty 05:21, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

I think this is the same thing I hinted at on Astante's talk page, but I still can't find the full description of the problem that Nephele posted some time ago after we'd spent some time researching it over IRC. Basically, there's a bug in the way leveled lists are handled for NPCs. When the player levels, the NPC's list is reevaluated but the items that were previously in the NPC's inventory because of the list are not always removed correctly. Most famously, this manifests itself with people like the Camonna Tong Thugs and the inhabitants of Brindle Home, who have sometimes been found with thousands of gold.

I can't check the CS right now, but it Tsramla's clothing comes from a random list (I hesitate to call it leveled because they're probably all level 1 items) then that might explain it. We may end up having to put a note on affected NPCs and link them to the glitches page or something similar. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 06:25, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

All right, that makes sense. For the record, here is a list of possibly infected NPCs in Border Watch;

* M'dasha

* Tsramia

* Tsalajma

All the other inhabitants seems okay, but I'll keep an eye on all of them as I progress in my second playthrough. Krusty 06:55, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

The full information is at Oblivion talk:Leveled Lists. As far as I know, it only affects leveled lists that produce multiples of items -- in particular gold and arrows. Some of these NPCs do just have a lot of items in their inventory: Tsramla, for example, is supposed to have three shirts, three pairs of pants, and three pairs of shoes. If there is a glitch at work causing more clothing items to appear, then it's not clear that it's really the same as the gold and arrows, because I can't see any places in the clothing-related leveled lists where multiple items would be added. --Nephele^Talk 10:48, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

Is it possible for all the "extra" clothing to be randomly chosen? My lvl 2 and 38 games are, after all, two different games... Krusty 10:59, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

For Tsramla, she has one fixed set of Breeches, Shirt with Suspenders, and Clogs; the other two sets of clothing are random. --Nephele^Talk 11:17, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

I see. So in fact, the inventory should read something in the neighbourhood of "and a number of randomly chosen clothing" except the ones, that are scripted. I think this one is Neph's. ;) Krusty 11:36, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

Aftermath

I could swear I've revisited Border Watch a while after completing the quest, and Ri'Bassa or some other Khajiit just angrily complained about it being a prank or something. I'll look into this some time.