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Contents 1 French? 2 Conflict! 3 Help 4 Magic bonus? 5 Celtic? 6 Ultimate magic character? 7 'Fire' staves 8 small change

[edit] French?

Based on the French? I had never assumed that at all. As the name implies, I'd assume they are based on early English, maybe the Celts. If their names sound anything like French (like the best Breton name ever: Mebestien Ence), remember that the line between the French and English culture and languages in early-medeival times was somewhat blurred. Take a look at actual Old English sometime (not Shakespeare, that's Middle English). It looks very much French (while actually being a Germanic language). Mebestien 12:03, 24 February 2007 (EST)

It makes more sense if you think about it as Bretagne, not Britain. The words of course have common root, and Bretagne is the region of France closest to Britain geographically as well. Anyhow, the names of most Bretons in the games are clearly French-derivative. (See Lore:Names#Breton and try telling me those names don't all look French.) Anyhow, the British and the French have quite a bit in common, despite being constantly at war for a good portion of their history. There doesn't seem to be a race in Tamriel equivalent to the Britons. Imperials are basically the Roman empire, and Nords are Scandanavian. (Though Nords would be closest, I guess, being Germanic.) Anyhow, it's all pretty conjectural. Saying that the Bretons are British or French makes about as much sense as saying that Redguards are African, despite having nothing in common with them beyond skin color. It's a fictional world, and the same rules do not necessarily apply everywhere. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 13:08, 24 February 2007 (EST)

You have to remember, as well as being at war constantly with France, we have also been trading with France for centuries, intermarrying and the like. 1066, the last time England was successfully invaded, was by the French, and if iirc the English didn't really regain what you could call a culture separate to the French until about 1350. Jadrax 13:23, 24 February 2007 (EST)

OMG guys! Get your facts straight please! The Breton are obviously based on the Celtic peoples and the reference isn't a subtle one either (starting with the name). The book Provinces of Tamriel specifically mentions Brittany as Breton territory. For your information, Britanny (Bretagne in French and Breizh in Breton) is the most northwestern part of present day France inhabited by Bretons (who are today French citizens but are not of the Frankish lineage) some of whom still speak Breton (a Celtic language) and are the direct descendats of the Celts who have been living in that area since before the Antiquity. When they conquered the British Isles (then inhabited by Pictish tribes among others) they named it Greater Brittany, so the names Brit, Briton and Britain have nothing to do with the Anglo-Saxons who arrived much later to the place (and in turn named it Anglia which survives today as England).

The same book mentions that the Bretons live in separated clans, again something typical of the Celtic peoples (including the Irish and the Scots) and nothing unlike the Anglo-Saxons or Franks who have had a longstanding tradition of being united (which accounts for a large part of their success and also their historical hostility).

When England was invaded in 1066 it was done not by the Frech but by the Normans ('North Men') who were of Scandinavian descendance (Danes, Norse - Vikings if you will) at the time settled in Normandy (the western coastal region present day France).

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I think most people conclude that Bretons are based on French because their names in Morrowind and Oblivion sound very similar to French names, just like Cyrodiil names sound like Roman, Bosmer names sound like names from LotR, etc. I would like to point out that Breton names are probably one of the most inconsistent parts of TES series because in Daggerfall, which mostly took place in High Rock, all characters had names which sounded like English or Celtic and not at all French. 194.106.187.140 22:47, 29 July 2008 (EDT)Nameless One

[edit] Conflict!

This article states that the Nedes invaded the Altmer and took their women as wives, producing the Breton. This article states that the Altmer took the Nede women as concubines, producing the Breton. Which is true? --Mebestien 12:33, 24 February 2007 (EST)

-Actually, what it says in this article, is that there was interbreeding between the early Nords and the Aldmer, producing the Manmer. In the linked article, it is said that the Bretons were created by breeding between the Nords and Manmer. --Darkle

[edit] Help

I was hoping someone could help me? I created a breton born under atronoch. Is my resist magika 50pt Breton ability interfering with or cancelling out my absorb magika 50 pt ability from my birth sign?? also are these abilitys resist & absorb 50% of the damage all the time or resist & absorb 100% of the damage half of the time?? -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.47.54.71 (talk • contribs).

Resist Magic and Spell Absorption work in very different ways. Spell Absorption means that 50% of the time, any hostile spell hitting you will be cancelled out and restore your Magicka instead. Resist Magic only kicks in if the spell is NOT absorbed, and reduces the damage by 50%. (Note that Resist Magic does NOT apply to elemental damage, such as Fire, Frost, and Shock, only to Magic-based effects like Absorb/Damage/Drain effects.) The Spell Absorption part of the Atronach birthsign is actually a GOOD thing, as that is the best way to replenish your Magicka. The bad part of the Atronach is the "Stunted Magicka" effect, which makes it so that your Magicka does not gradually regenerate on its own or when you rest. The Resist Magic does nothing to counter this effect, and there is unfortunately nothing else that does. You'll need to carry Restore Magicka potions, or find ways to get hit by spells a lot so that the Spell Absorption will keep your Magicka supply up. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 10:00, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Actually, according to the Resist Magic page and the discussion/testing there, it does actually reduce the damage of all incoming spell damage, but doesn't protect against, say, a Fire Damage poison. But you are correct in that the resistance is only applied if the spell is not absorbed. So if it is absorbed you get the full magicka restoration you would normally get, even with 100% Resist Magic. -- Iueras

[edit] Magic bonus?

I was wondering if Bretons had a magic bonus like the Altmer have a 100 point bonus increase. Thanks. Jesus lover 15:02, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes. As it says on the article: "Fortify Magicka 50 points on Self, constant" –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 16:00, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Celtic?

It is reasonable that they could be based on the Celts, yet they were an ancient people. Just look at the Breton race. They clearly have no ties to the Ancient World.

No ties to the ancient world? Of course they do! They're the descendents of inter-breeding between proto-Nords and Nedic peoples and the Aldmer from the First Era. If that isn't the Ancient World, I'd like your definition please. Now whether or not they can reasonably be tied to the Celts is another person's question to answer. Darkle 21:31, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

You are right, of course I simply meant that if the Bretons were based on the Celts, surely Bethesda would have made such a connection.

They have to be based on the Bretons... isn't that obvious? --Lord Walter Thibault 11:40, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Just in case you didn't know, the Bretons are a Celtic people. The article you linked almost says as much, and there's a link to a page (Celtic Nations), that names Brittany as a Celtic nation. So, even if the Bretons are based on the Bretons, as seems likely, they're still Celtic. Darkle 17:50, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, I see that now. I must have forgotten that Breton means someone from Brittany. My mistake. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.12.52.166 (talk • contribs) on 14:39, October 5, 2008.

[edit] Ultimate magic character?

I've been thinking about this one for some time know, and I think this is the right place to say it. If you equip a Breton with the Atronach Birth sign, will you become theoretically magically immune? I say this because you would have 50% spell absorbtion and 50% Magic resistance! I know that you don't have a 100% defense against it, and that weakness spells may affect this but would it work? Matt360 432 11:37, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Before we continue, remember to put new headers on the bottom of the page rather than on top. Second, a better way to fully become "protected" against magic with a Breton is simply to equip a Mundane Ring. This ring provides 50% Resist Magic. That on top of the Breton natural resistance mean complete (100%) Magic Resistance. This is a better way than yours; you can still regenerate magicka (you don't have stunted magicka anymore if you choose an other birthsign) and this can never fail, unlike spell absorbtion.--LordDagon 11:45, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

[edit] 'Fire' staves

I think that it would be better not to include 'fire' before staves, since it only confuses people in thinking of the elemental damage magical effect and everywhere else staves are just 'staves'. So for general clarity I took it off. --SerCenKing 12:53, 16 February 2009 (EST)

[edit] small change

i changed "You humans are all the same! Weak and worthless!" (if target NPC is not an Orc) to "You humans are all the same! Weak and worthless!" (if target NPC is not a human)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.230.139.57 (talk • contribs) on 21:08, 14 August 2009.

That edit is reverted, because it's apparently incorrect. Can you provide reasons for why you think your version is correct? Is it because it says: You humans are all the same? But that does not necessarily have to mean the target NPC is not human, even though that's logical. Wolok gro-Barok->T->C->E 11:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)