Oblivion talk:Breton

The UESPWiki – Your source for The Elder Scrolls since 1995

Obviously the best race of all. Especially under mage sign. Same thing in morrowind. --Alpha 09:11, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

• I'll take Breton in Oblivion but Altmer in Morrowind for a magic character. In Morrowind, the Altmer have a bonus to Enchanting and a bigger bonus to Alchemy, which are harder to improve than spell schools, thus the initial bonus is a big help. --Mebestien 12:12, 24 February 2007 (EST)
  • Actually, Alchemy is one of the easiest (if not the easiest) skills to max out, but that might be only Morrowind. I haven't had the chance to play Oblivion. Breton's resistance to magic naturally makes them good at killing wizards(like the Telvanni). My current Breton(Morrowind) has 110% Magic Res. and 75% chance of absorbing magic. Enchant is definately the hardest skill to max out, but I personally never cared for it. --BretonRock

[edit] French?

Based on the French? I had never assumed that at all. As the name implies, I'd assume they are based on early English, maybe the Celts. If their names sound anything like French (like the best Breton name ever: Mebestien Ence), remember that the line between the French and English culture and languages in early-medeival times was somewhat blurred. Take a look at actual Old English sometime (not Shakespeare, that's Middle English). It looks very much French (while actually being a Germanic language). Mebestien 12:03, 24 February 2007 (EST)

It makes more sense if you think about it as Bretagne, not Britain. The words of course have common root, and Bretagne is the region of France closest to Britain geographically as well. Anyhow, the names of most Bretons in the games are clearly French-derivative. (See Tamriel:Names#Breton and try telling me those names don't all look French.) Anyhow, the British and the French have quite a bit in common, despite being constantly at war for a good portion of their history. There doesn't seem to be a race in Tamriel equivalent to the Britons. Imperials are basically the Roman empire, and Nords are Scandanavian. (Though Nords would be closest, I guess, being Germanic.) Anyhow, it's all pretty conjectural. Saying that the Bretons are British or French makes about as much sense as saying that Redguards are African, despite having nothing in common with them beyond skin color. It's a fictional world, and the same rules do not necessarily apply everywhere. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 13:08, 24 February 2007 (EST)

You have to remember, as well as being at war constantly with France, we have also been trading with France for centuries, intermarrying and the like. 1066, the last time England was successfully invaded, was by the French, and if iirc the English didn't really regain what you could call a culture separate to the French until about 1350. Jadrax 13:23, 24 February 2007 (EST)

OMG guys! Get your facts straight please! The Breton are obviously based on the Celtic peoples and the reference isn't a subtle one either (starting with the name). The book Provinces of Tamriel specifically mentions Brittany as Breton territory. For your information, Britanny (Bretagne in French and Breizh in Breton) is the most northwestern part of present day France inhabited by Bretons (who are today French citizens but are not of the Frankish lineage) some of whom still speak Breton (a Celtic language) and are the direct descendats of the Celts who have been living in that area since before the Antiquity. When they conquered the British Isles (then inhabited by Pictish tribes among others) they named it Greater Brittany, so the names Brit, Briton and Britain have nothing to do with the Anglo-Saxons who arrived much later to the place (and in turn named it Anglia which survives today as England).

The same book mentions that the Bretons live in separated clans, again something typical of the Celtic peoples (including the Irish and the Scots) and nothing unlike the Anglo-Saxons or Franks who have had a longstanding tradition of being united (which accounts for a large part of their success and also their historical hostility).

When England was invaded in 1066 it was done not by the Frech but by the Normans ('North Men') who were of Scandinavian descendance (Danes, Norse - Vikings if you will) at the time settled in Normandy (the western coastal region present day France).

rwa

[edit] Conflict!

This article states that the Nedes invaded the Altmer and took their women as wives, producing the Breton. This article states that the Altmer took the Nede women as concubines, producing the Breton. Which is true? --Mebestien 12:33, 24 February 2007 (EST)

-Actually, what it says in this article, is that there was interbreeding between the early Nords and the Aldmer, producing the Manmer. In the linked article, it is said that the Bretons were created by breeding between the Nords and Manmer. --Darkle

[edit] Help

I was hoping someone could help me? I created a breton born under atronoch. Is my resist magika 50pt Breton ability interfering with or cancelling out my absorb magika 50 pt ability from my birth sign?? also are these abilitys resist & absorb 50% of the damage all the time or resist & absorb 100% of the damage half of the time?? -- ^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.47.54.71 (talk • contribs).}

Resist Magic and Spell Absorption work in very different ways. Spell Absorption means that 50% of the time, any hostile spell hitting you will be cancelled out and restore your Magicka instead. Resist Magic only kicks in if the spell is NOT absorbed, and reduces the damage by 50%. (Note that Resist Magic does NOT apply to elemental damage, such as Fire, Frost, and Shock, only to Magic-based effects like Absorb/Damage/Drain effects.) The Spell Absorption part of the Atronach birthsign is actually a GOOD thing, as that is the best way to replenish your Magicka. The bad part of the Atronach is the "Stunted Magicka" effect, which makes it so that your Magicka does not gradually regenerate on its own or when you rest. The Resist Magic does nothing to counter this effect, and there is unfortunately nothing else that does. You'll need to carry Restore Magicka potions, or find ways to get hit by spells a lot so that the Spell Absorption will keep your Magicka supply up. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 10:00, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Actually, according to the Resist Magic page and the discussion/testing there, it does actually reduce the damage of all incoming spell damage, but doesn't protect against, say, a Fire Damage poison. But you are correct in that the resistance is only applied if the spell is not absorbed. So if it is absorbed you get the full magicka restoration you would normally get, even with 100% Resist Magic. -- Iueras