Oblivion talk:City-Swimmer

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Contents 1 Have anybody actually seen her swim? 2 Services 3 Notes on the in-game schedule 4 Dead City-Swimmer

[edit] Have anybody actually seen her swim?

And if yes, on what days and what time? Krusty 10:18, 1 March 2009 (EST)

I don't recall ever seeing her swim, nor do I see anything in the Construction Set that would suggest that she does. I'll add it to the bugs section, and if I'm wrong, it can always be removed. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 16:08, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

Playing around with it, I was able to create a mod to make her swim, though the AI could probably use a little tweaking. This is a stab in the dark, but in creating the mod, I discovered a hard-to-find broken path node just at the top of the stairs to the dock. I suspect that perhaps originally, they tried to make her swim and when she wouldn't, they abandoned it due to time constraints but the dialogue got left in. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 03:43, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

I'm on the PS3 version of the game (No mods); I'm staring at her swim below the bridge leading to Bravil Castle. --Coxis 05:11, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

What day is it? And time? Krusty 05:13, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

I'd be curious to know that as well. What may have happened is that "something" caused her to get bumped close to the docks or into the water. Due to a broken path node at the top of the dock stairs, she would then be unable to get out. I've seen similar things happen with people somehow (and don't ask me how!) getting bumped behind locked doors or otherwise in a different path grid and then they couldn't get out. Best Goods and Guarantees in Leyawiin is great for this! :) --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 13:38, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Loredas, 7:50 PM. Luckily I saved on a different file to go back and check. I can take a picture if you guys want (From a camera though, I don't have a video capture card).--Coxis 15:43, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

I just checked her on Loredas, and she didn't swim for me. In fact, she was nowhere near the water at any time of the day. If you still have that save-game, could you check to see, if she's able to get out of the water at all? Her schedule says, that she returns home at 8pm, so you shouldn't have to do too much waiting. If she cant get out of the water, then I think RobinHood70 is correct... Krusty 06:17, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

I will check tomorrow. Question: If she is indeed trapped in the water, will she stay there forever or will she respawn somewhere when some time has passed? 'cause I continued to play from that same game save and when I came back to Bravil she was walking around town, not trapped in the water.--Coxis 00:48, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

If she's trapped there, you might have to push her back on to the main city grid. The same sort of "something" that pushed her into the water in the first place might cause her to get pushed back, plus I've occasionally seen randomly teleporting NPCs when they're stuck, but she may well stay there indefinitely, I'm not really sure. If she DOES seem to be stuck there, wait until close to 8:00 pm (or any time she tries to leave the water and goes to the top of the dock stairs), then just walk into her and "push" her a little further. I can't be sure, but I suspect at some point, she'll get pushed back into the main city grid and be able to find her way to her next scheduled location. It's too bad you're not on the PC, cuz this'd be a simple Console command if you were. :) --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 01:50, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Alright, I checked and she wouldn't even attempt to get ouf of the water... She would just stay there, moving around the same area; I waited around until 2:00 AM so you guys were probably right. As for not having the game for the PC... I do regret it, but I've already invested 260 hours of my life on the PS3 version, so it is probably too late for me. :( --Coxis 00:25, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Services

Her services are also available from 10am-6pm when she's sneaking. Should this be added to the article? --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 03:39, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

I have a distinct feeling, that the whole "sneaky"-part of her behaviour gets into effect after she have eaten, which happens between 12pm and 2pm. Right now, I'm following her around and will write a schedule later today. We will have to take it from there... Krusty 07:41, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

Old discussion, new questions. I have just redesigned her page (the old schedule wasn't really all that good) and I'm still intrigued by her. So here's a question for you. When exactly is she supposed to sneak? I have never seen her sneak outside her 6pm-8pm eating time, but in the above post you say she should sneak between 10am-6pm. Also - and that might explain it - she will not offer training at all times during the afternoon. She is one of the NPCs that will offer training if you keep approaching her (see the note I added), suggesting that she has some other package going on for the duration of the day (a bit like Delphine Jend, just not so complicated I hope), which it is possible to "change" by talking to her repeatedly. Krusty 13:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I was slightly wrong. She doesn't actually sneak, she just has a "Find" package where she's looking for Touch spells. (What exactly that means, I'm not sure...scrolls, maybe? Or interacting with anybody who posess Touch spells? In testing, I found that she simply stands there most of the time.) In the end, there should be a 1 in 5 chance that the Find package is activated, so the same chance that she'll offer to train. I'm not sure how often packages are evaluated but in forcibly changing it, she often stood there with no visible change whatsoever. In other words, she might offer training one minute, but not the next.

Also, in testing the above, I discovered that City Swimmer won't always sit on the bench in front of The Lonely Suitor. As near as I can tell, she'll randomly pick any available chair, bench, etc., as I twice saw her sit on the chair outside Luciana Galena's house instead of the bench by The Lonely Suitor. —Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 21:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the checking! Sounds like my little note can stay - with a possible addition of "another AI-package that might activate" or something like that (that "Touch Spells"-thing is almost too weird to explain!). And I'll change the Lonely Suitor-part to include all available chairs in town. Once again, thanks! :) --Krusty 22:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Notes on the in-game schedule

She´s pretty weird. First and foremost, she doesnt have a regular route, that she follows. She's all over the map, at least in the northern part of town. In my experience, she only visits the southern part at 12pm, but I could be wrong. And the whole sneaking thing is a bit tricky as well: I have followed her for more than 6 in-game days, and have NEVER experienced her sneak before 6pm. On the other hand, sometimes she doesnøt sneak at all (not after 6pm either), so I might have been unlucky, that she didn't do it earlier in the day. And the bug is VERY important, 'cause it could cheat people into believing, that she doesnt offer any training. I did the "services" schedule the way I did, because I couldn't make her train me from 6pm to 8pm, therefore assuming, it was her "sneaky" period. And no more City-Swimmer for me, thank you very much! Krusty 16:46, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Dead City-Swimmer

I've found City-Swimmer dead in Bravil, with a stolen 'Bread Loaf' in her inventory. Perhaps she has been killed by the person who saw her steal it?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by DarkNumenorean (talk • contribs) on 28 June 2009.

City Swimmer is one of those NPCs with a responsibility of 30 or less. That causes her to steal food when no-other food source is available when she wants to eat. Someone saw her and alerted the guards is the most likely explanation. Wolok gro-Barok 16:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC)