Oblivion talk:Cloud Ruler Temple

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When I went to Cloud ruler temple after some quests on teh Xbox 360, I found Mankar Cameron standing on the location where Martin later opens the gate to Paradise. I also found him at the dagon Shrine. The problem is, when I almost completed Paradise Mankar wasn't there! I waited for him a long time, killed both his children and tried to sit on his throne, but nothing helped. What should I do?

Contents 1 NPC Names 2 Cloud Ruler temple inspiration 3 Horseless in CRT 3.1 Horse Found 4 The katanas in the Great Hall 5 Major Glitch? 6 Can't get to Martin

[edit] NPC Names

Okay this might be a bit off the wall but I just saw the list of NPC names in Cloud Ruler Temple and a lot of them struck me:

• Achille - Achilles; Greek hero from the Trojan war
• Arcturus - one of the brightest stars in the sky
• Baragon - Paragon; word for a peerless example of something
• Belisarius - Roman (or Byzantine if you prefer) general who recaptured North Africa and Italy
• Cyrus - Great Persian emperor
• Ferrum - Latin for 'iron'
• Fortis - Latin for 'brave'
• Jena - Major battle in the Napoleonic wars between the French and the Prussians
• Roliand - Roland; hero of various Wagnerian opera and Franco-Germanic legend.

There are others that could mean something - these ones just sprung to mind immediately (yes, I know I'm sad).

Do we think this is deliberate? That the designers gave the guards names of people or things they found courageous or inspiring? Or should I just get out into the garden? If the former, should we mention it Rpeh 11:38, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

Wow, that's some nice research man. Seems to me that there are too many references for it to be pure coincidence. I think it would be more appropriate to place the information on the NPC's respective pages though, rather than the Cloud Ruler Temple page. And look up Pelagius too. I think he was a priest or something. --Saruuk 08:20, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

I think the designers may have picked inspiring names, but I'm still not sure if it's mentionable. Besides, I just looked up 'Baragon' on Wikipedia and found that "Baragon is a four-legged reptile with a horn on his head and large ears", so I could be totally wrong! --Rpeh^Talk 10:18, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure that the designers named Pelagius after an emperor on the Elder Scrolls universe. This fact is mentioned on the Pelagius page.

[edit] Cloud Ruler temple inspiration

The Temple is based on the Hornburg at Helms Deep from The Lord of the Rings. Similarities can also be found with the headquarters of the League of Shadows from the film Batman Begins; both protagonists travel to an Asian-themed mountaintop fortress.

Is there any factual substantiation behind the claims about Lord of the Rings and Batman? It seems like pure, anachronistic supposition to me, but perhaps there are some design notes somewhere that I'm not aware of. --Saruuk 08:20, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

I don't know of anything in writing but the Lord of the Rings makes some sense at least - last bastion of a besieged group of heroes. The Batman one... not so much. --Rpeh^Talk 10:18, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

I've moved the note here until someone can provide some evidence. --Nephele^Talk 01:47, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

I think Cloud Ruler Temple is actually made in the style of Akaviri buildings because the Blades were inspired by the Akaviri and because they use Akaviri weapons and Akaviri-style armor. It's somewhere on the site. --Twentyfists 21:32, 9 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Horseless in CRT

After joining the Blades, I found that I didn't get my free horse in the stables. Martin and Jauffre's horses were there, but neither was rideable. I'm thinking maybe the horse is just "lost" and will show up eventually; I'll post back here if that's the case. Anybody else have this happen to them? --Robin Hood 22:02, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

You don't get the free horse after joining the blades, you get it after delivering the amulet to Jauffre. Talk to Prior Maborel at that point and he'll give the horse to you. It should also be in the stables after you bring Martin back to Weynon Priory, although I'm not sure what happens if you've been riding it in the meantime. If you didn't ride the horse to CRT, it won't be there when you arrive. --Rpeh^Talk 04:02, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

I'm not talking about Prior Maborel's Paint Horse, I'm talking about the horse you get in Cloud Ruler Temple (see the first note on the main CRT page). There's always been one there in previous games, just not in this one, it seems. --Robin Hood 02:12, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Horse Found

The horse did show up eventually. I now have a free Weynon Priory horse waiting for me in the Cloud Ruler Temple stable, as expected.

[edit] The katanas in the Great Hall

If you open the console and click on the two isolated katanas above the fireplace in the Great Hall, you can see that Glenroy and "Renote" (who I presume to be Captain Renault) both get honored by having their weapons as decoration in the temple. IWon'tFightUndead 08:51, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Here are the pictures. IWon'tFightUndead 09:20, 15 November 2007 (EST)

If you want to add the information to the article, go ahead. I certainly do not have any objections. --Mankar Camoran^{•T•C•E•} 09:35, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Just a small note... I believe that 'Renote' was Captain Renault's original name, but they changed it at some point to 'Renault'. Her object ID in the CS is 'renote', too. My guess is that they sismply forgot to rename the katana in CRT. --Gaebrial 03:00, 16 November 2007 (EST)

OK, I have reworded it a little now. Feel free to reword it again if you want. --Mankar Camoran^{•T•C•E•} 08:12, 16 November 2007 (EST)

It's fine with me. I was kinda busy last night (or whenever it was that I wrote it...) so your version was practically guaranteed to be more coherent. =) IWon'tFightUndead 13:32, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Does this deserve a place on the Easter egg page?--Willyhead 10:40, 8 December 2007 (EST)

No. It's not an easter egg it's just decoration and already gets a mention on the CRT article. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 10:44, 8 December 2007 (EST)

I would argue that the blades always put katanas from fallen agents up on the wall as a means of honouring them. 85.228.203.66 06:27, 9 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Major Glitch?

(from the article)

• DO NOT try to access the temple before bringing Martin and Jauffre there, doing so can cause a major glitch in the main quest making it unfinishable.

I've taken this off for two reasons. Firstly, it's staggeringly uninformative as to what the problem actually is, and secondly I know I've been to CRT before the quest with no problems whatsoever. Unless there's any more information it doesn't belong in the article. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 02:18, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I just hopped up there last night with my super-Khajiit. The Blades all said the same thing about the Dragonborn being dishonored but, other than that, nothing odd. IWon'tFightUndead 02:43, 19 November 2007 (EST)

In one incarnation, my character ventured to Cloud Ruler before embarking into the Main Quest. She found the gates wide open and walked onto the grounds. Nothing odd occurred in doing so, and the doors into the Temple proper were locked (Needs a Key). I don't imagine there's cause for a quest-breaking glitch unless you resort to using console commands. —Dark Spark 20:44, 6 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Can't get to Martin

Before escorting Martin to Cloud Ruler Temple, I embarked on several side quests. Two of which were both Kvatch battles. Later I returned to where I had left Martin and he was gone. When I activate that quest, I get a green arrow inside the temple. Managed to get inside using paint brushes, but all doors need a key. Am I screwed for finishing the main quest? Can I get a key somewhere? Is Martin really inside or is he somewhere else and I just can't find him? Please help. I love the game, have 130 hours into it and don't want to have to start over. Thanks.--72.44.161.226 17:28, 17 June 2008 (EDT)