Oblivion talk:Else God-Hater

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Contents 1 Is this really necesasry? 2 Mythic Dawn 3 After Main Quest 4 Swordswoman / Swordsman

[edit] Is this really necesasry?

Has been found in the following locations

• The West Weald Inn @ 7:42pm

This just seems like it doesn't need to be there. First of all, I'm pretty sure that Else spends the majority of her time at the West Weald. At least I've never encountered her elsewhere. (Hehe, "elsewhere"...) Secondly, it's anecdotal, and if you started adding this to every NPC page, you'd end up with huge lists of mostly irrelevant information. Finally, at least in this case, I don't think anyone really cares. I can see doing this for NPCs who provide services or are important quest-related characters (particularly if they have an unusual schedule, like Trevaia in Anvil), but I doubt anyone will ever have any particular reason to need to find Else God-Hater. She's a pretty minor character whose only significance is that she's a Mythic Dawn sleeper who attacks you later. We don't need to know where she is 24 hours a day... --TheRealLurlock 09:20, 7 September 2006 (EDT)

I agree that it seems overly detailed. I'd say it would be better to check the construction set and add a more general and more useful statement such as "She can be found at the West Weald Inn every day from ?am to ?pm" --Nephele 02:27, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

Actually, I wish you didnt take the information out, because I wanted to know where she sleeps so I can kill her in good conscience to attract the attention of the dark brotherhood to gain entry into their guild so I can wipe them out. The first Dark Brotherhood quest where you kill a rapist sounds noble enough, but the dark brotherhood is pretty shady so I wanted to wipe them out and take their stuff. Is she always at the inn? If she sleeps somewhere that would have been useful information. ^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.180.134.50 (talk • contribs).}

You already have access to the full extent of the information that had previously been in the page: at 7:42 pm she was once seen in The West Weald Inn. That's all that was removed. Although perhaps eventually more detailed schedule information on non-merchant NPCs will get added to the site, the deleted line was far from what would be considered to be a useful schedule. --Nephele^Talk 16:54, 29 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Mythic Dawn

I'm not sure what time it was but all of a sudden she cast a full suit of bound armor and a bound claymore and killed an orc, once again his name eludes me. Has this happened to anyone else? (lol "anyone else"...)

Yes. She's a sleeper agent for the Mythic Dawn. Once you've completed the Dagon Shrine quest, the sleepers activate and attack you on site. If other NPCs are friendly with you, they'll join in the fight and can often be killed. --Rpeh^Talk 00:40, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

[edit] After Main Quest

I must have completed the main quest without running into Else after the Dagon Shrine quest, because she was still there when I was Champion of Cyrodiil. She was talking about which of the new songs were her favorite, completely denying her previous affiliation. I thought it was a nice touch! Do other sleeper agents act that way too if they survive the main quest? If not, should that aspect of her be added? 63.64.64.194 15:56, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Could you provide some more specific information about this dialogue, for example an exact quote of what she said? Because I can't find anything similar in the construction set, and I can't see any Else-specific dialogue that gets triggered after the main quest has been completed. So it's not clear that there is anything noteworthy about her behaviour. --Nephele^Talk 18:16, 25 December 2007 (EST)

I don't think anonymous is refering to any Else specific dialogue, probably just one of the random rumors about bards composing songs for the Champion. ("Have you heard "The Fall of Dagon" yet?...)--Jiaan Phillida 17:38, 30 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Swordswoman / Swordsman

I -know- swordswoman is no more and no less PC than swordsman. I -believe- it is vaguely awkward sounding to hear of a woman as being a 'swordsman', and further that 'swordswoman' sounds cool. Your 2 coppers below mine, if you care. Anarchangel 03:53, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Political correctness concerns aside, it's also the case that the word "swordswoman" never appears in the game whereas "swordsman" occurs fairly frequently. Yes it's a little awkward to describe a woman as a "swordsman", "chairman", "batsman" or whatever, but artificial constructs like "swordswoman" or, Akatosh help me, "chairperson" are far, far more unwieldy. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 03:59, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

You may kill a woman by accident in real life but it will still be classified as 'Manslaughter'. --Matthewest ^{•T•C•E•} 04:25, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Swordfighter? —Dark Spark 12:53, 11 July 2008 (EDT)