Oblivion talk:Gray Cowl of Nocturnal

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[edit] Cowl Infamy Glitch

Yeah, so, somehow, when I don the Grey Cowl, I have a fame of 1439...I don’t recall ever wearing it during any major quests, so any idea how this happened? Just some arbitrary glitch?

Does the cowl truly not fool shivering isles guards or is it that it only affects Tamriel infamy/bounty? --62.163.51.178 18:32, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Cowl + Pilgrimage?

What happens if you wear the Cowl and on a Pilgrimage? Infamy for the Grey Fox... 0? Or does it reset in a few hours? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.64.10.249 (talk • contribs).

If you're wearing the gray cowl, you're not allowed to use the Wayshrines and therefore can't do the Pilgrimage. If you try to use a wayshrine you get a message "The gods are not mocked! They require an honest heart, not one hidden behind a false face.” On top of that, each time you put on the cowl it makes sure that the cowl's infamy is at least 100. So setting the cowl's infamy to zero is doubly impossible. --Nephele 01:46, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
Hmm… interesting. Thanks.

- I killed a guard in Skingrad and entered my house, so I took of the cowl and "surrendered". The guards went away, but now every time I try to fast-travel, it says that guards are looking for me. This is very irritating is there a fix for it? (I'm a Xbox360 user though) - Thingey

I had a similar problem, but different cause. Pickpocket a guard, and let him catch you. Then pay the bounty, and you'll reappear outside the prison. This should have reset the flag for the guards chasing you. -Lordsword 8 05:23, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Cowl + Conjured Armor Bug?

I can't confirm that this is the cause of the bug, but the other day I conjured some armor on me while wearing the cowl, and once the conjured armor vanished, and I removed my cowl, my fame and infamy points were the same as if I was still wearing the cowl. I also kept the Gray Fox bounty, which sucked because it was huge.

Ref." I killed a guard in Skingrad and entered my house, so I took of the cowl and "surrendered". The guards went away, but now every time I try to fast-travel, it says that guards are looking for me."

-I've had this happen also. I've had Anvil guards chase me to Imperial city before. It's rediculous. They take forever to track you down, and saving and reloading doesn't fix the problem.

Dont take the cowl off before the guards arrest you or try and kill you. Just wear the cowl untill the guard stops you and then remove it and yeild then they'll go away like nothing ever happened. Da Gray Fox 00:04, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Loses Bounty after Main Quest?

This line:

If you complete the final main quest (Light the Dragonfires)with the Gray Cowl on, it could cause the Cowl to lose all it's bounty, making it wearable in front of guards in public.

has recently been added to the article. My first concern is that this seems to contradict Nephele's assertion that putting the cowl on always resets your infamy to 100 - and contradicting Nephele is rarely sensible. Secondly, it contains the weasel phrase "could cause" meaning even the author is uncertain. Does anybody have any more information on this? --RpehTalk 05:51, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

...Well if you get rid of the bounty (By raising your bounty above 500 and going to a doyen.) I suppose you'd be all right...

Not exactly true. Whenever I wear the cowl and go to a doyen, it is impossible to pay the bounty. So I don't know. --Innocent Bystander 11:56, 29 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] I Lost My Cowl!

I was arrested for killing people and then the guards took my cowl...is there any way to get it back???

They should give it back to you when you are released from prison, or if you choose to escape you can find it in the evidence chest, which will be near the exit from the prison complex you're in. --Rpeh•T•C•E• 05:10, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

[edit] How Many Cowls are in the Game?

I would like to know how many cowls are in the game

One. --Rpeh•T•C•E• 05:10, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
So what happens if you steal if from him, then complete the last quest for the Gray Fox. Does he give you nothing? --piercethetruth
According to lore, there is only one cowl. And the game scripts are setup so that during normal gameplay it will appear as if there is only one cowl. In terms of how the game really functions, however, there are in fact multiple cowls. For example, there are three versions of the cowl sitting in testing warehouses that technically exist at all times during gameplay. And the game scripts almost never work by moving an item from one person to another. Rather the scripts execute one command removing the item from one person, and then execute a second command that adds an item to the player. So the scripts create and destroy items all the time. The upshot is that stealing the cowl from the gray fox will not really have any overall effect on the game. --NepheleTalk 02:11, 14 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] Effectiveness of Feather not 100%

As I have been playing as the Grey Fox, the effective feather applied to my character is reducing. I noticed it once it got down to 137 feather and now it's down to 124.

Since the cowl has not health and the effectiveness of the detect life is not reducing, I can only conclude something else is effecting it. The only 2 variables I can think of are fame and level. I have 54 fame right now as the Grey Fox.

If there is another reason for this and if I can reverse this garbage, please let me know.

Or... you're carrying less? It's not affected by level or game. Feather has a glitch associated with it. See this entry for more information. That might be your problem. —Rpeh•T•C•E• 16:32, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Yeah that worked- I went to the store and bought as much as I could. Once I reequipped the cowl, my feather was at 200.

[edit] No thieves guild but Cowl and Boots?

I just heard this on gamefaqs and apparently, it works from what everyone else says. On ps3 and Xbox 360 too.

Go to Jakben Ear of Imbels house in the talos plaza district. Assault him once and wait for him to equip his armor when he does this he will unequip the boots of Springheel Jack. Once he is fully equipped, knock him out "he won't die he is considered quest related". Now pick pocket the boots. When The boots are in your inventory you will get journal entry telling you to go to Ganthredels house in Cheydihal. You now have a bounty of 40 pay it off the boots will stay in your inventory because they are quest related. Now you must use the bound item glitch. Summon a bound helm get it damaged repair and drop. Pick it up when the spell is over. Now go to Cheydinhal if you’re not already there. Reverse pick pocket the bound helm and punch the crook in the face. He will now equip the helm and go 100% Chameleon. Now knock him out and pick pocket the cowl. You will have a bounty of 40 pay it off the cowl will be gone from your inventory. Go to the evidence chest and steal it back and, voilia!, you have the cowl and Springheel's boots without joining the thieves guild. It only took about 10 minutes to do so.

Shouldn't this be placed in glitches?--Puddle 12:55, 29 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Gray Fox effect

Since I can't play for about a week, I am really curious. When I complete the quest and officially get my Cowl, does my Argonian look like 'The Gray Fox' when I put it on? As in: does he 'become' an imperial, or will I keep seeing a red chin and orange eyes through the cowl where the posters in the IC still show half an imperial's face? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Korunox (talk • contribs).

I'm not quite sure. I used to be an Argonian, but I got a new game as an Imperial, because T.G. wouldn't work on my original file. It should stay the same as in "red chin and orange eyes through the cowl", but yeah the posters will stay the same. Because if you look at them, they say, "presumed male and Imperial", so yeah, you will definitely stay the same. Innocent Bystander 12:05, 29 February 2008 (EST)

When you put on the cowl while Argonian, the cowl will stretch to cover your face. This often results in the eyeholes being near your nose but otherwise doesn't effect gameplay. I have tested it several times in the past.Miceypoo@aol.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.124.247.197 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Cowl + Glitch + Pilgrimage?

If the wearer of the Cowl is to use a "Permanent Quest Item Effect Glitch" on the Cowl, the Cowl can be removed, but the wearer is stuck with the bounty and infamy. Is it possible to clear the Cowl by using the glitch, then completing Pilgrimage? Innocent Bystander 20:35, 4 March 2008 (EST)

If the game believes that you are wearing the cowl, you cannot do the pilgrimage: you cannot activate any of the wayshrines with the cowl on. --NepheleTalk 01:38, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] A stranger

Can you steal the cowl from "the stranger"(the fox without the cowl) without even beginning the quest. I think he lives in Anvil, that old house. Da Gray Fox 00:07, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

No on my game he had a very good leveled sword but hasn't got the cowl 62.136.209.34 11:52, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Disposition modifiers

If you commit crimes with the Gray cowl of Nocturnal, does it affect an NPC's disposition towards your "real" character. I noticed that when I attack a guard with the cowl then take it off, his disposition remains the same, yet when I murder other guards in front of the guard with the cowl then take it off, his disposition is reduced. I haven't tested this on non-guard NPCs though. --TheTamrielTerror 09:28, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Cowl Problems

I am having problems using the cowl right off the bat. When i first put it on i couldn't remove the bounty from Armand, he wouldn't give me the option to pay it off. Also when i am by any guard they charge me and say "your the grey fox, you are wanted for...all kinds of thing, wanted dead or alive and it will be easier dead" then my only option is Resist Arrest. If i then take off the cowl and summit they kill me. i have tryed the drop the cowl in jail and get arrested but that has not worked. Also i have tryed raising my bounty by attacking someone with the cowl on then trying to clear my bounty with Armad...nothing works. Does this mean i can never wear the cowl anywhere near a guard or i will always get attacked? Can anyone answer what to do to fix this please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nisha (talk • contribs).

Read the page, you should find your answer there... --Benould•T•C 15:49, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

I have tried what the page says, it got me no where. Like i said, i am not given the option to pay off my fine when i talk to Aramand...it shows i have a bounty but cannot pay it. Also like i said i cannot get the jail trick to work...i have left the cowl in the cell i get put in however it is never there when i get put into it, it disapears for whatever reason...i am not sure whatelse to try.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.180.153.152 (talk • contribs).

Are you sure you are placing the Cowl in the right cell? It should be there. As for paying it off, I believe that was fixed with one of the patches... maybe. Not everyone can do it. Vesna 12:56, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
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