Oblivion talk:Hackdirt Brethren

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[edit] Bounty and Infamy

I just did this quest three times and found that if you are attacked by a member of the Brethren you get no infamy or bounty. If you sneak attack them you get an Assault bounty (40). My current character wasn't good enough to kill anybody in one shot but at no point could I get a murder bounty (1000) and neither did I get any infamy. Anybody else? –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 12:32, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

I did this quest a few days ago. I wiped out all the brethren in the caverns without any bounty. I suspect the confusion may come from the fact that some of the 'above ground' residents of Hackdirt also like to hang out in the caverns and will fight alongside the Brethren. However, I killed most of those people too... and still no bounty. I just made sure that I didn't hit anyone until after they had attacked me first. In my game Hackdirt has a surviving population of two and my stats page shows a maximum bounty of 40, which I got from something else entirely as part of the 'Two Sides of the Coin' quest. --12.42.51.28 14:25, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

I definately got the bounty. Before heading to Hackdirt I'd been in Chorrol, no problems with the guards there. Right after leaving Hackdirt I went to IC, guards all came running straight at me. The bounty was 3000, of course it's possible that I committed some other crime in the meantime, but I can't for the life of me think what it was. - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 16:13, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm not saying I don't believe you, just that it's going to need some research. Can you remember how you made the kills? Sneak attacks? With bow or a blade/blunt? Did anybody see you? I'm actually surprised they cause a bounty at all - after all, they attack on sight, but I guess this is just one of those things that makes writing a wiki so much fun :/ –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 03:25, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

I have never received a bounty for killing the Brethren. However, I did receive a bounty when I returned to Hackdirt after completing the quest, and was attacked (above ground) by the Moslins and a few more Brethren. --Gaebrial 05:24, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

Perhaps you get the bounty if you rally Brethrens without having A Shadow Over Hackdirt quest activated? --Baranello 05:40, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

It could perhaps something to do with the platform as I am on the Xbox 360. --User:Foxtrot 23:21, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Game Lord, you had a 3000 gold bounty. Did you only kill three brethren? There are alot more of them than that in the caverns and they usually attack en masse. I suspect that if you go back to Oblivion:Hackdirt you will find that three of the named residents are missing. If you used area-of-effect attacks in the caverns or just started slashing away when a crowd charged at you then chances are you hit one of the named residents before they hit you. Even if they were clearly charging forward to attack you alongside the brethren the game considers it a crime for you to strike a named NPC first, and if they then die it becomes murder. Has anyone tried soul trapping one of the brethren? If they go into regular soul gems then they are implemented as creatures and definitely shouldn't give bounties. If they require black soul gems then they are NPCs and should cause bounties unless they have some sort of special scripting. They currently aren't listed under either category anywhere I've been able to find. --12.42.51.28 06:46, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

They're definitely NPCs; I was looking at them in the CS last night. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 06:59, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

I think that may be the cause. I err get sort of carried away when killing things. I simply assumed that all the people in the caverns were hostile, so I killed them all. A bit over the top, I know, but I sold their stuff and made at least another 20 gold :)

But back to the point, I think that 12.42.51.28 is right, and that I may have accidently killed the citizens. - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 15:24, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

Okay. I'm going to do some more testing and see if I can get a murder bounty for a generic Hackdirt Brother but it looks like we're getting there! –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 15:52, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

I have tested this and I did get a bounty for each one I killed. --Matthewest ^{•T•C•E•} 01:41, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

You get a bounty if you kill or assault and NPC before he goes hostile but im not totally sure if that goes along with bretheren but it will count as an assault and show up on the statistics page regardless who they areJay480 05:42, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Needing Cleanup?

Does this page not already have NPC summaries? If so, may I remove the tag? --Matthewest ^{•T•C•E•} 07:40, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Please do. - Foxtrot