Oblivion talk:Jauffre

The UESPWiki – Your source for The Elder Scrolls since 1995

This is the only NPC page that does not mention its race; is he an Imperial or Breton? Mebestien 01:17, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

The construction set says he's a Breton. Th232 01:33, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Contents 1 Death 2 Managed to accidentally make Jauffre hate me... 3 Quest Item? 4 paralyze 5 Bodies that never disappear? 6 Dialogue after completing the main quest? 7 Assertion

[edit] Death

Is there any major disadvantage to Jauffre dieing during the Defense of Bruma quest? --Werdnanoslen^Talk 10:58, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

• No, but he is helpful in the final part of the main quest -Lordsword 8 11:14, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

OK, that's what I thought. Is it worth it to restart the Defense of Bruma quest and try to keep him alive? --Werdnanoslen^Talk 11:18, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Given that you'd presumably have to redo both Defense of Bruma and the Great Gate, I'd say it's probably not worth it just for sake of having one more ally during Light the Dragonfires. But it's probably mainly a matter of personal preference. --Nephele^Talk 14:10, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Good. As long as Jauffre has no use other than his sword in battle, then I won't bother. On another note, I just finished the Main Quest :D, so I'll stop with the dozens of questions X). --Werdnanoslen^Talk 14:19, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Managed to accidentally make Jauffre hate me...

Okay, I think what happened was: I accidentally got on Jauffre's horse after the Weynon Priory quest. He didn't like that, and attacked me. I yielded, and he accepted. But ever since, every time I talked to him he had a pretty grim scowl during/after the conversation. And then, when I went to start the Great Gate quest, he began attacking me - all the other NPCs proceed to rush to my aid and attack Jauffre, who will now not accept my yeilds. Argh. QmunkE 09:32, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

You need to get a strong Charm on target spell and cast it on Jauffre from a distance whenever you approach him. That's basically the only option you have for increasing Jauffre's Disposition because you can't use Speechcraft or bribes. Or else go do a lot of quests to boost your fame sky-high... it will take a while, but that's the only permanent way to make him like you more (and make sure not to gain any infamy while you're at it). There are consequences for your actions sometimes ;) --Nephele^Talk 12:39, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Quest Item?

The article says Jauffre's body never disappears, but I'm not sure that's true. I found his ID and used the "player.moveto" console command, but instead of just transporting me to Jauffre or Jauffre's body, the game transported me back in time to the Temple District while there are still Oblivion gates and spikes and even the ambient sound of fighting; incidentally Jauffre's body was lying on the doorstep of the Temple of the One. There were no Daedra and no people except for a couple of Imperial palace guards who had their swords drawn, ready to fight. The buildings were on fire and, when I went into the Temple, the sky was Oblivion red but the statue of Akatosh was there. So, questions: Why did I get the weird time paradox effect? Can everybody else but me find Jauffre/Jauffre's corpse after "Light the Dragonfires?"

Okay, I loaded up my other game that has a complete Main Quest and I got the same time paradox. Baurus died in that game and his body was there, too. IWon'tFightUndead 16:01, 15 November 2007 (EST)

You're hitting an issue here of game semantics. Jauffre's body never disappears from the spot where he was killed. But the game does a few strange things with locations. In particular, there are two different versions of the Temple District, the "usual" version and the "Light the Dragonfires" version. They are considered by the game to be two different locations, both of which always exist according to the game engine. Things happen in the two places independently of each other. Under normal gameplay, you'll only see one at a time, because the gates leading to the area will only ever connect to one of the two versions. But if you use commands like moveto or coc you can hop back and forth between the two, just like hopping back and forth between Anvil and Skingrad, for example. You're not hopping back and forth in time, you're just hopping between two different locations.

The upshot is that if Jauffre is killed in the "Light the Dragonfires" version of the Temple District then his body will always stay there. Just because your player can't easily get there doesn't really invalidate the statement that his body never disappears. It's just that his body never disappears from an area that's effectively been locked off. --Nephele^Talk 16:53, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Ah, okay; thanks. That makes sense. I still find the time paradox explanation to be pretty amusing, though. =D IWon'tFightUndead 21:59, 15 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] paralyze

If you cast paralyze at Jauffre's horse while Jauffre is riding, the horse gets up (and is angry) but Jauffre does not get up. You can speak to him, but he does not get up. Jauffre lays on the ground with his body still in a riding position. If you fast travel, Jauffre does not come with you, but if you return to the spot you left him, he will be mounted on his horse and ready for you.

All of this applies to Martin as well.75.198.214.243 04:07, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

This works on most (if not all) NPCs that ride horses and has already been mentioned in the Proposed Glitches section of the wiki. Vesna 23:08, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Bodies that never disappear?

I don't know where else to ask this, but does anyone know which NPCs bodies will never disappear if they die? I know Jauffre, Prior Maborel & Alval Uvani don't, but who else?--Barfightbob 09:14, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Right off hand, I can name Glathir and Telaendril. I'm not sure if anyone has put together a list.--Darth NANAME 10:25, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

I looked around, and I found that Bernadette Peneles and Toutius Sextius have permanent corpses, too. I'm sure there are others, but I don't know who. --Darth NANAME 10:35, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Lucien Lachance. 66.167.32.216 03:17, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

I've posted the full list of NPCs at Oblivion_talk:Containers#Quest Item NPCs, which is a more appropriate place to hold this discussion. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 04:57, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Dialogue after completing the main quest?

Can you guys post what he says after stopping the Oblivion siege machine thing and the main quest? He died with Baurus in the battle for Bruma in my game, but I'm still curious. All help would be appreciated. 60.50.69.188 07:57, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Assertion

I moved this from the main page because there was no reference to a source. It's not unreasonable, but I'd prefer it to be cited.

"Jauffre is named after and based upon Joseph Jacques Césaire Joffre. He was Commander-In-Chief of the French Army between 1914 and 1916 during World War One."

IWon'tFightUndead 16:53, 12 October 2008 (EDT)