Oblivion talk:Next of Kin

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to kill Caelia Draconis without getting a bounty, i recommend useing an enchanted mage hood as described under Dark Brotherhood Overall Killing Hints, do it when she sleeps at 5pm, remember to sneak.

  • Kill her while she sleeps in the Barracks. I didn't get a bounty when I did this. (1st person commentary moved from main page)

As far as killing her with the gray fox cowel on, i dont think it is necicary to find a guard outside. Taking it off should do just fine to get rid of the bounty.

"Walk up to her, and tell her you are going to kill her and she will attack, preventing you from getting a bounty" This is incorrect as far as I know. You'll get a bounty of 40 for attacking a guard. I think the whole problem with this quest is that she will report your murder even if she's killed in one blow and even if there's no other guard in the room. 87.180.235.219 14:12, 22 January 2007 (EST)

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[edit] Cheesy yet effective

The problem with killing Caelia Draconis without incurring a bounty is a big one, but there's one way to accomplish it, given foreknowledge of two things: A> At Level 1, Caelia can be easily defeated by Cingor; and B> Cingor (a Mythic Dawn spy) will spontaneously attack you if you lower his Disposition below 10.

The solution presents itself by immediately trekking to Leyawiin as a new character, inciting Cingor to attack you through Persuasion, then leading the homicidal Woof Elf towards Caelia. Should they join battle, Cingor will slay Caelia for you, without any penalty upon yourself.

At some point in the day, both Cingor and Caelia will be in the Three Sisters' Lodge (Caelia in her room, Cingor in the tavern). That's as good time as any to pull off the trick.

[edit] Some Notes on Sibylla Attacking you on sight

This doesn't seam to necessarily be true, when I entered the cave she did not attack me on sight, but her animal friends did. I'm not sure exactly how the game decides to have her attack you, but when I went just a little bit into the cave I was able to attack and kill the animals without Sibylla attacking me. The only way I got her to attack me was by staying at the entrance and waiting for the mountain lion to come to me, after which I attacked the lion and then Sibylla started attacking me. Of course I could have accidentally hit Sibylla in the process which would also have caused her to attack me. I just wanted to add this because it really doesn't look like this is set in stone, and my personality may have something to do with it as well, but I'm not sure of this.--Soundfx4 18:46, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Gift delivery.

I'm thinking of adding something along these lines, what does everybody think?

[edit] Delivering the gifts

Just for fun you could buy and "deliver" the gifts in the gift list from Perennia Draconis, she has already paid you to deliver them. For extra evilness (or the cheap), you could steal some of these gifts from the other family members. Reverse pick pocketing is not going to work, most of the gifts have weight. It's much easier to "give" a gift to a corpse.

[edit] Matthias Draconis

Iron or steel cuirass, not too light, easy to find, but expensive to buy. You could blow most of the budget on this, or use a permanant bound item glitch and reverse pick pocket a Deadric Cuirass onto him. Giving it to him before killing him might make it harder to kill him. Caelia has a nice cuirass, but it's light, so it doesn't really match the description in the gift list.


[edit] Caelia Draconis

Pretty "girl" stuff like flowers, perfumes, and chocolates. Flowers are easy - Alkanet Flower, Dragons Tongue, Nightshade, Redwort Flower, Planter, and a Bouquet of flowers. Those last two are zero value items, so you wont be able to buy them anywhere. Matthias and Andreas have Planters you could steal. Bouquet of Flowers are hard to find, usually they are only left at a few special grave sites.

Perfumes don't actually exist in game, but potions of Fortify Personality should be suitable substitutes. Potion of Personality (all three strengths) and Newheim's Special Brew are the only built in potions. You could make your own Fortify Personality potion with Imp Gall and Troll Fat, and call it "Perfume". The ingredients used in making real life perfumes can be just as icky.

Chocolate also does not exist in game. Try using Sweetcakes and Sweetrolls.


[edit] Andreas Draconis

Set of tavern glasses, "frosted ebony" or "Altmeri crystal", but there is no such thing in game. Silver Glasses or Silver Goblets should do the trick. Matthias has a pair of Silver Goblets you could steal. A "set" probably consists of at least six though.


[edit] Sibylla Draconis

Largest fur blankets you can find. Once again, no such thing in game, but a raw animal skin should do the trick, Sibylla wont mind. Bear Skin is the biggest one. At higher levels she has plenty of bears in her cave, you could use those.

Onefang 18:30, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

I wouldn't add that to the main article, no. It's a nice idea, but Things to do When You're Bored might be a better choice. --RpehTalk 11:52, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Bounty on Fallowers?

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Sometimes the fallower will get a bounty on their head, causing the guards to go after them, even if they respawn.

Spelling aside, I'm not sure NPCs can get bounties. I suppose this could be caused by a relationship problem but in any case, can anybody confirm? --Rpeh•T•C•E• 02:49, 16 November 2007 (EST) The console can set a bounty on an NPC. Robed Dawnbringer 14:41, 26 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Reflect Damage

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  • Reflect Damage: To kill her without incurring a large bounty, an item with Reflect Damage effect. Then sneak up and pickpocket her - and get caught. She'll attack you. Do not fight back, just let the items reflect all damage. Other guards may join in the attack, but if you can weather the blows while reflecting all her damage she will soon drop dead, and you'll be faced with a mere 25 gold bounty.
  • The 'Reflect Damage' tactic recommended for killing Caelia Draconis does not always work. While playing on the PC (GOTY v 1.2.0416) it has occurred that you still get a bounty of 1025 Gold.

TBH, the reflect damage idea is a pretty obvious technique for killing someone, but if the "bug" is accurate, it's not a very good technique here anyway. If anyone can narrow down the circumstances under which the various outcomes occur then maybe it can go back on, but at the moment I think it's way too vague to be useful. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 14:33, 31 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Sanguine Rose

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  • Sanguine Rose If you by any chance have kept the Sanguine Rose, you can use it on her without a bounty, just stay hidden when you do. It will summon a Daedric monster on her which will attack her. It may take a few shots, but it brings her down.

Well... extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence is all I can say. Can anybody else verify this? 19:07, 5 February 2008 (EST)

I can't confirm that it happens with Caelia, but I can confirm that I used exactly this tactic on Mephala's quest, and did not receive a bounty. In fact, I didn't even have to stay hidden - I don't see any reason why you should - the summoned daedra is not allied with you - unless it attracts the attention of other guards. --Gaebrial 02:20, 6 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Caelia Draconis

Found that when I killed all the other family members and left her until the end the quest finished without needing me to kill her. Interested to knw if this was a one off bug or if anyone else found this. This of course eliminates the need to kill arguably the hardest opponent in this quest due to the almost iminent bounty.

Is she still alive though? You don't have to kill her if something has already done the job. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 12:26, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
Surprisingly yes. Maybe it is just a bug or something but she is definitely still alive and I didn't kill her in the quest :/ Largo 16:05 12 June '08
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