Oblivion talk:Permanent Retirement

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I killed Adamus and his bodyguard outside the coast guard station with no guards present and still got a hefty bounty. Was a pain in the butt trying to pay the bounty, had to dispose of an Imperial Watch at the waterfront because he started beating on a beggar when I outran him. - Also noticed Taleandril hanging around in Leyawiin, near where Adamus swims. This prevented me from killing him during his recreation, because she would jump into the fray on my side when the guards came running, and I really didn't feel like having her die on my account. -What appeared to be a very straightforward quest for me turned out to be a big hassle.  :) -After I killed Adamus I just waited until after 8pm that day and the guard left. This allowed me to grab the finger un-noticed. Not sure where this should go or if it is repeatable.

Contents 1 Killing without bounty 2 Black Horse Courier 3 Bodyguard Suicide 4 Second Assassin 5 The Finger 6 Adamus Missing 7 Easy way for low lvl sneak players to get the bonus 8 master sneak 9 Two Suggestions that Don't Work

[edit] Killing without bounty

It looks like there is an easy way to avoid the bounty. I drank the invisibility potion immiediately after I shot, but before the Rose of Sithis hit swimming Adamus and didn't get any bounty.

[edit] Black Horse Courier

Does this item only come into play if you fail to earn the bonus? Reading the paper seems to suggest that the next Legion Commander hasn't got the message of the finger in his desk. I am assuming that the reason this item never appeared in my game is because I did earn the bonus and the new Legion commander stops the press. -- Necaradan666

[edit] Bodyguard Suicide

Anyone have more details on when or where this should happen? It's been quite a while since I knocked off Adamus and his bodyguard still walks around town and sleeps soundly at the barracks -- Necaradan666

Both the suicide and the newspaper only take effect when you fully complete the mission. In other words, not until you return to Cheydinhal, report in, get your reward, and have the quest moved to your list of completed quests. At that point, the bodyguard's suicide is triggered and one copy of the newspaper appears in the Black Horse Courier offices. Both occur whether or not you leave the severed finger in place. However, other copies of the newspaper (those distributed by the couriers) will not appear until after you complete the next DB quest. --Nephele^Talk 12:35, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Second Assassin

It is possible to not have to kill Adamus at all. Wait long enough and the Brotherhood apparently sends another Assassin to do the job, a female Altmer archer, when she attempts to kill Adamus the guards will attack her, possibly preventing her from achieving her goal. Adamus can be blamelessly killed in the crossfire.

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Complete the Malacath Daedric Shrine Quest, but don't kill the guards. The Guards will follow you to Adamus, no matter what another Assassin will attempt to kill Adamus when you arrive with the mine guards in tow. This apparently sets off a massive riot as everyone in the area( civilians, guards, Mine Guards, fighters guild members, even the count or Countess if they are outside the castle) will attempt to kill everyone else regardless of side, except strangely you, if you hit anyone they will protest they are on your side. It can be a safe bet that Adamus will die in the riot, leaving you to blamelessly cut off his finger. As a good plus you can loot the armour and valuables off of the piles of dead.

I've moved these two comments here from the main article. I've never heard of a second Dark Brotherhood assassin, so I'm not sure who this supposed second character is. Do you have a name for the character? Are you running any third-party mods that add new NPCs? As for the second tip, I really doubt that the Malacath mine guards are in any way necessary to trigger a riot. Not to mention that triggering a riot killing everyone in town really isn't an effective way to complete this quest, given that countless NPCs will get killed in the process. --Nephele^Talk 23:28, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

I think that second assassin is Telaendril. She's a female Archer and Altmer/Bosmer females look alike especially when wearing a hood. Going to Leyawiin is part of her routine so whoever mentioned that must have got lucky and had her for 'backup', though I still don't know how he got her to attack Adamus. --Sundaroct131088 04:00, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

[edit] The Finger

The page states that if you take the finger out of the desk after the quest is finished, it becomes a quest item, however this seems unlikely because taking the finger is not required, and so should not ever become a quest item. Also, that very same finger is sitting on a plate in my house at the Imperial Waterfront, and I am the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood, and got every bonus. Darkle 16:48, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

Yep, the finger doesn't start out as a quest object and there are no scripts that ever turn it into a quest object. So I can't see any evidence to support that statement. I've deleted the entire note from the article, because it didn't really provide any other useful information, IMO. --Nephele^Talk 23:56, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Adamus Missing

On Xbox 360 there is a chance that Adamus Is Missing. The marker will state he is in the Leyawiin Barracks - which he's not. He isn't out swimming either. My guess it that he's fallen through the 3D Environment into the water below, and is just wading. No known fix as of yet.

Sorry, but following the quest marker to a single location and concluding that Adamus is therefore missing and has fallen through the floor grid seems like unsupported speculation to me. Especially coupled with no information about what might have caused this problem or what to do about it: I don't see any way that this tip in its current form is going to help a reader. --Nephele^Talk 01:48, 2 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Easy way for low lvl sneak players to get the bonus

I just walked right in and got stopped by guard and resisted arrest and ran to desk then yield to the guard and payed fine Gdogg79 22:48, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] master sneak

is it possible to kill him while he has armor on if you are a master of sneak when you use the rose on him? It makes since because sneak attacks bypass armor rating. (could someone test this with like the construction set i can't cause i play xbox)

It wouldn't work. The Rose of Sithis is scripted to automatically kill him only when he is not wearing his armor (or when he is in one of the specific places, can't be bothered to check.). You can still kill him when he's wearing armor, he's just usually surrounded by bodygaurds. Killing him with the rose is not required to get the bonus. Hope this helps Dr. Kilereren 13:20, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Two Suggestions that Don't Work

I've moved these two from the article:

• Another way to eliminate Adamus and his bodyguard with 0 bounty is to wait between the city gate and the coast guard house until they emerge from the city. Simply taunt Adamus by using one of the first two topics and he and his bodyguard will attack you. Since they attacked first, the bounty will not occur, however, it may prove a challenging fight.

I tried this three times. Each time the Leyawiin City Watch outside the gate joined in and I wound up with a bounty of 3000 drakes.

• Another way to avoid a bounty is to fire your arrow, and then while it is in mid-flight, immediately fast-travel out of the area. Once you've arrived at the new location you will get the quest update, and have no bounty; however, if you return and encounter Adamus' body guard, he will recognize you and attack.

Again, tried this three times. Doesn't even kill him. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 14:09, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

The second one worked for me (I added it). I haven't tried again, but for what it's worth: I was well-hidden and in sneak mode; and the location I fast-travelled to was the city gate. I also wondered whether it would make a difference how soon in the arrow's flight I exited. Did you try waiting until the arrow was almost at its target?

81.86.230.94 21:33, 16 September 2008 (EDT)