Oblivion talk:Permanent Retirement

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I killed Adamus and his bodyguard outside the coast guard station with no guards present and still got a hefty bounty. Was a pain in the butt trying to pay the bounty, had to dispose of an Imperial Watch at the waterfront because he started beating on a beggar when I outran him. - Also noticed Taleandril hanging around in Leyawiin, near where Adamus swims. This prevented me from killing him during his recreation, because she would jump into the fray on my side when the guards came running, and I really didn't feel like having her die on my account. -What appeared to be a very straightforward quest for me turned out to be a big hassle.  :) -After I killed Adamus I just waited until after 8pm that day and the guard left. This allowed me to grab the finger un-noticed. Not sure where this should go or if it is repeatable.

Contents 1 Killing without bounty 2 Black Horse Courier 3 Bodyguard Suicide 4 Second Assassin 5 The Finger 6 Adamus Missing 7 Easy way for low lvl sneak players to get the bonus 8 master sneak 9 Two Suggestions that Don't Work 10 Apples have odd effect 11 Rose of Sithis turns bodyguard? 12 Article cleanup 13 Summon/Poison Method 14 Scripted Bodygaurd fight 15 Rose of sithis (moved)

[edit] Killing without bounty

It looks like there is an easy way to avoid the bounty. I drank the invisibility potion immiediately after I shot, but before the Rose of Sithis hit swimming Adamus and didn't get any bounty.

[edit] Black Horse Courier

Does this item only come into play if you fail to earn the bonus? Reading the paper seems to suggest that the next Legion Commander hasn't got the message of the finger in his desk. I am assuming that the reason this item never appeared in my game is because I did earn the bonus and the new Legion commander stops the press. -- Necaradan666

[edit] Bodyguard Suicide

Anyone have more details on when or where this should happen? It's been quite a while since I knocked off Adamus and his bodyguard still walks around town and sleeps soundly at the barracks -- Necaradan666

Both the suicide and the newspaper only take effect when you fully complete the mission. In other words, not until you return to Cheydinhal, report in, get your reward, and have the quest moved to your list of completed quests. At that point, the bodyguard's suicide is triggered and one copy of the newspaper appears in the Black Horse Courier offices. Both occur whether or not you leave the severed finger in place. However, other copies of the newspaper (those distributed by the couriers) will not appear until after you complete the next DB quest. --Nephele^Talk 12:35, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

Sorry for an old reply, But I just looked into this, and I couldn't find him either. And I had just become Listener in the DB. So I acually killed every guard in a big riot in the barracks, and found out his bodyguard was among them. I searched his body for a suicide note, And nothing. I don't think his suicide occurs on the 360 version. Lucky the Cat Guy. 06:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it does! I am on 360 and I found him dead with the note. Try redoing the quest. SwedishBerzerker at youtube.com 10:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I just checked out the TES and it turns out the necessary variable that triggers the bodyguard's death is set when you talk to Ocheeva. This is just stupid. It should be set in Adamus Phillida's script (Dark09AdamusScript), like this:

Begin OnDeath

Set Dark09Retirement.Suicide to 1

End

I mean, why would the bodyguard wait for you to return to Ocheeva? Doesn't make any sense at all. WRFan 02:54, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Second Assassin

It is possible to not have to kill Adamus at all. Wait long enough and the Brotherhood apparently sends another Assassin to do the job, a female Altmer archer, when she attempts to kill Adamus the guards will attack her, possibly preventing her from achieving her goal. Adamus can be blamelessly killed in the crossfire.

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Complete the Malacath Daedric Shrine Quest, but don't kill the guards. The Guards will follow you to Adamus, no matter what another Assassin will attempt to kill Adamus when you arrive with the mine guards in tow. This apparently sets off a massive riot as everyone in the area( civilians, guards, Mine Guards, fighters guild members, even the count or Countess if they are outside the castle) will attempt to kill everyone else regardless of side, except strangely you, if you hit anyone they will protest they are on your side. It can be a safe bet that Adamus will die in the riot, leaving you to blamelessly cut off his finger. As a good plus you can loot the armour and valuables off of the piles of dead.

I've moved these two comments here from the main article. I've never heard of a second Dark Brotherhood assassin, so I'm not sure who this supposed second character is. Do you have a name for the character? Are you running any third-party mods that add new NPCs? As for the second tip, I really doubt that the Malacath mine guards are in any way necessary to trigger a riot. Not to mention that triggering a riot killing everyone in town really isn't an effective way to complete this quest, given that countless NPCs will get killed in the process. --Nephele^Talk 23:28, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

I think that second assassin is Telaendril. She's a female Archer and Altmer/Bosmer females look alike especially when wearing a hood. Going to Leyawiin is part of her routine so whoever mentioned that must have got lucky and had her for 'backup', though I still don't know how he got her to attack Adamus. --Sundaroct131088 04:00, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

I've seen this happen multiple times in my and my friend, for some reason Telaendril attacks (or gets attacked by) the guards for no reason. We tried reloading, but we couldn't prevent it from happening, so we had to just let it happen. Thank god she's a useless character.Lovless510 02:34, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

[edit] The Finger

The page states that if you take the finger out of the desk after the quest is finished, it becomes a quest item, however this seems unlikely because taking the finger is not required, and so should not ever become a quest item. Also, that very same finger is sitting on a plate in my house at the Imperial Waterfront, and I am the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood, and got every bonus. Darkle 16:48, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

Yep, the finger doesn't start out as a quest object and there are no scripts that ever turn it into a quest object. So I can't see any evidence to support that statement. I've deleted the entire note from the article, because it didn't really provide any other useful information, IMO. --Nephele^Talk 23:56, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Adamus Missing

On Xbox 360 there is a chance that Adamus Is Missing. The marker will state he is in the Leyawiin Barracks - which he's not. He isn't out swimming either. My guess it that he's fallen through the 3D Environment into the water below, and is just wading. No known fix as of yet.

Sorry, but following the quest marker to a single location and concluding that Adamus is therefore missing and has fallen through the floor grid seems like unsupported speculation to me. Especially coupled with no information about what might have caused this problem or what to do about it: I don't see any way that this tip in its current form is going to help a reader. --Nephele^Talk 01:48, 2 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Easy way for low lvl sneak players to get the bonus

I just walked right in and got stopped by guard and resisted arrest and ran to desk then yield to the guard and payed fine Gdogg79 22:48, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] master sneak

is it possible to kill him while he has armor on if you are a master of sneak when you use the rose on him? It makes since because sneak attacks bypass armor rating. (could someone test this with like the construction set i can't cause i play xbox)

It wouldn't work. The Rose of Sithis is scripted to automatically kill him only when he is not wearing his armor (or when he is in one of the specific places, can't be bothered to check.). You can still kill him when he's wearing armor, he's just usually surrounded by bodygaurds. Killing him with the rose is not required to get the bonus. Hope this helps Dr. Kilereren 13:20, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Two Suggestions that Don't Work

I've moved these two from the article:

• Another way to eliminate Adamus and his bodyguard with 0 bounty is to wait between the city gate and the coast guard house until they emerge from the city. Simply taunt Adamus by using one of the first two topics and he and his bodyguard will attack you. Since they attacked first, the bounty will not occur, however, it may prove a challenging fight.

I tried this three times. Each time the Leyawiin City Watch outside the gate joined in and I wound up with a bounty of 3000 drakes.

• Another way to avoid a bounty is to fire your arrow, and then while it is in mid-flight, immediately fast-travel out of the area. Once you've arrived at the new location you will get the quest update, and have no bounty; however, if you return and encounter Adamus' body guard, he will recognize you and attack.

Again, tried this three times. Doesn't even kill him. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 14:09, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

The second one worked for me (I added it). I haven't tried again, but for what it's worth: I was well-hidden and in sneak mode; and the location I fast-travelled to was the city gate. I also wondered whether it would make a difference how soon in the arrow's flight I exited. Did you try waiting until the arrow was almost at its target? 81.86.230.94 21:33, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Perhaps the arrow hit it's target before you fast travelled, but you were fast enough to get away before his bodyguard could catch you. Legoless 14:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Apples have odd effect

ok, so i gave him a poisioned apple and waited 12 hours(game time) for him to eat it and when i got the update that said he was dead i went into the barracks to get his finger all the gaurds turned hostile and i got a bounty..has this happend to anyone else?--70.0.7.183 23:40, 15 February 2009 (EST) Going into the Leyawiin city barracks is a crime within itself. You will get a bounty, not one for Adamus' death. –Veltas^•T•E•

[edit] Rose of Sithis turns bodyguard?

I tried to get a clean headshot on Adamus, but the arrow missed, hit his bodyguard, and he proceeded to kill adamus for me! Not sure why. He then proceeded to attack me!

Now that's verry interesting never heard of that. Ima try it.

[edit] Article cleanup

I don't see why the summon/poison method of murder was removed. It seems less convoluted than some of the other suggestions, is easy to accomplish, doesn't rely on a glitch, and never causes the player to earn a bounty. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.51.165.235 (talk • contribs) on 12 June 2009.

As you can see a cleanup tag has been placed requesting the removal of all those convoluted suggestions. The problem is that the paragraph has been turned out into dozens of way for avoiding a bounty, which is only 40 gold. --Timenn < talk > 05:42, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

I understand that, but the cleanup tag was placed and only that specific method was removed. I think it should have been left there to be reviewed with the general article cleanup, or at least moved to the talk page for review. My problem is not with the cleanup tag, but with the removal of that specific tip, which was as valid (or invalid) as the rest on the page.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.51.165.235 (talk • contribs).

I meant to add it to the talk page when it was removed, but clearly I forgot. Can't hurt to have it on the talk page as long as we're reviewing the other suggestions. –Eshe^talk 17:04, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Thanks :-) Now, relating to the article cleanup, I can see a few methods listed which still cause the player to earn a bounty. I think these should be the first to go because they seem to be the most superfluous. Specifically, I am thinking of:

• Another way to get the guards to kill Adamus is to attack his bodyguard first, then get in between Adamus and his bodyguard and turn invisible. Adamus will accidentally strike his bodyguard, who will then strike back. A fight then ensues between Adamus, his bodyguard, and the approaching city watch. Adamus and his bodyguard will both get slain. You can watch it all safely from a veil of invisibility. When they're dead, just loot their bodies and you're golden. Plus, you get to save the unused Rose of Sithis as a trophy for your house. There is a chance also the arrow will be found on his corpse after shooting him with it.

• If you go down the stairs to the left of the pool you will find a spot where you are unseen by Adamus' guard. Equip the rose of sithis and kill Adamus as he walks down the stairs. Now select wait and wait a good 12-14 hours (any shorter and his guard will remain.) Loot Adamus, then go talk to a guard. Pay your fine then go back into the dungeon and open the evidence chest and take out everything that was taken from you, including the finger.

• You can also kill him with a headshot, using the Rose of Sithis while he's sleeping in the barracks.

• If you don't mind the 40 bounty and are a member of the Thieves Guild, you can just pay it off through a Doyen. Since the bounty is only for assault rather than murder (since the actual death is scripted), guards will not attack you on sight. However, Adamus's bodyguard will attack you if you go within sight of him after killing Adamus (he won't come after you on his own though), leading all other guards to follow suit.

These methods all seem to cause at least a 40 gold bounty. I understand that 40 gold is nothing gameplay-wise, but it is interesting to have a list of bounty-free methods available to players who enjoy roleplaying an assassin who gets away with crimes, rather than blundering through an assassination and ending up having to pay a fine. (edit: I created an account so I'm not just an IP)

As for cleaning up the article, I think the suggestions involving the Cowl of Nocturnal should be condensed into one point, essentially saying "If you have the Cowl of Nocturnal, remember that it can be used to avoid bounties, and draw guards to you, including Adamus." Listing each and every way to use the Cowl seems redundant, since one of it's main abilities is to effectively absorb bounties. Not to mention, it requires completing an entire, separate quest line; I would consider that complicated enough to limit its usefulness. One mention should hopefully be enough.Lovless510 02:34, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

We usually try to not put roleplaying suggestions on the actual articles. Instead, it would be best to generalize those comments and place them on the Oblivion:Roleplaying/Assassin page. --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 04:18, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Summon/Poison Method

(moved from main article for review) –Eshe^talk 17:04, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Make two of the stronger multiple effect poisons, then summon a creature (something strong enough to survive for a while, but weak enough not to Adamus and his guard). Punch the creature near the bodyguard until it attacks you and he will rush to your aid (as will Adamus). Quickly hit each of them with the poison once, making sure you hit the bodyguard first. They'll scream "I'm on your side", kill the summoned creature, and eventually drop dead. No bounty, no hassle.

[edit] Scripted Bodygaurd fight

I think that the bodygaurd is scripted to attack you once Adamus dies... not just if he sees you kill him, because I poisoned him with the poison apple], and once adamus died, and I was waiting next to him, the bodygaurd attacked me.--Arch-Mage Matt 02:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

He is. After Adamus dies, if you are less than 1001 "units" away from him and he can fully detect you, he will attack. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I added a note to the bugs section of the main page. It seems like a bug to me, since the idiot will attack you even if you reverse pickpocket a poisoned apple on Phillida. How does the bodyguard know you killed Phillida? It just doesn't make any sense! This is what happens:

1) Reverse pickpocket a poisoned apple on Phillida. Wait a couple of days. You get a confirmation message that Phillida is dead.

2) Cast Chameleon 100 spell on yourself, approach the bodyguard. He will not be hostile. You can talk to him about Phillida, he will state that he failed his duty bla bla bla

3) Dispel Chameleon on self. As soon as the bodyguard sees you, he will turn hostile, even if you don't have any bounties on your head. All NPCs will side with you, obviously, because this bodyguard is completely insane. All guards will side with the bodyguard due to faction affiliation.

4) Cast Charm 100 in a 50 feet radius and yield to the bodyguard and any guards helping him. They will immediately turn peaceful and walk away as if nothing had happened. What the hell? They just attacked an innocent citizen they are supposed to protect! All of them should be jailed! What is this, some fascist regime where police can do whatever it feels like? What happened to democracy?! lol. Citizens have rights, after all. They can't just approach you and hit you, the morons! And you know, when they attack you, they are shouting, "You should have paid the fine". Well, there is no bounty on my head, you morons!

Beware that if you have 100% reflect damage and kill the bodyguard or any other guards by reflecting their own damage, this may actually incur a bounty. Stupid bugs! WRFan 02:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Please, can you lay off the excessive ranting? No one likes bugs, no need to hear what you think of them. --Timenn-<talk> 09:02, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rose of sithis (moved)

When my friend got the Rose of sithis he found Adamus without his armor on and he fired the arrow of sithis at his stomache and it hit but it didn't effect his health. He then appeared in his armor with sword in his hand and chased my friend around the town.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.247.24.149 (talk • contribs) on 22 August 2009.