Oblivion talk:Poisoned Apple

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Contents 1 Availability 2 Is there a console command for the PC 3 Using as potion ingredient with lvl 100 alchemy? 4 Essential characters? 5 Poison apple bomb 6 Eating the Apple 7 Disappearing Effect 8 Food and drinks, or just food?

[edit] Availability

The barrel full of poisoned apples in Fort Farragut really is available to absolutely any player, without any requirement that you have to first join the Dark Brotherhood. I just went and double-checked using a character who has not joined the Dark Brotherhood, and the secret entrance to Fort Farragut was there, could be used to enter Lucien's room in the Fort, and the barrel full of apples was there, with 10 apples in it. There is a very hard lock on the barrel, but that is the only obstacle. I've previously obtained poisoned apples using a non-dark-brotherhood character by going in through the front door of Fort Farragut. And those 10 apples will respawn, so any character has access to an infinite supply of poisoned apples. --Nephele^Talk 03:31, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

I had done the same yet the barrel was empty there may be a game version specific issue with this.--Obliv4PS3 03:33, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

I obviously can't check the Oblivion.esm file for the PS3, but it's hard to believe that the developers would rewrite the file or modify the scripts to make the game behave differently on PS3. If for no other reason than that it makes maintaining the code at least twice as difficult if there are two different versions. For the Xbox 360 and PC versions of the game, there is nothing in the scripting that would change the behaviour of the barrel at any point. There are no enable/disable commands for the barrel or the apples; in other words, the barrel is always there.

Are you sure you checked the right barrel? Is there any chance that you had recently emptied the barrel and not given the game 73+ hours to reset before going back in to the fort? I'd just like to be really sure that there's no other possible explanation before saying that there might be differences in gameplay on the PS3. --Nephele^Talk 03:47, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

I will check again by making a new character tomorrow to late now.I do know for a fact that I checked the right barrel. Further more I will know whether it was a momentary glitch or weird PS3 scripting when I double check. I do have the best interest in having everything on this site be as accurate as possible as do you.--Most Honored Listener 03:53, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

Looks like it was a weird glitch. It is also possible that even if you are a member the fact that you are a member and not yet to the purification quest could limit if there are apples or not. Somehow I unlocked the very hard lock first try at lvl 1. Kinda surprised myself with that one. Thank you for helping this be cleared up.--Most Honored Listener 14:24, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

Wizards grotto in Bravil? I can't find any such place. There is a shop called The Warlock's Luck, but there are no poisoned apples in there that I can find. Onefang 14:05, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

its part of the arrow of extraction thievs guild quest arrow of extraction--Most Honored Listener 14:49, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Is there a console command for the PC

to cure the poison?

How do you cure the poison if you eat the apple? You know how when you eat the poisoned apple you die... well I kinda ate it accidentaly and now im dieing... the effect last even if you lived through the countdown till the effect supposevly wears off. I am surviving on copied welkyre stones. I had to use the glitch to save myself =(. someone please help. ^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.214.133.140 (talk • contribs).}

If you're on the PC, the Console command player.removespell 9617 should work (although I've never tried it myself). If you're on Xbox 360 or PS3, there is no cure. --Nephele^Talk 21:45, 22 February 2008 (EST)

I disagree with Nephele's comment above, because I believe there is a way to cure it on a console. Apologies on the lack of linking, but there is a glitch associated with Molag Bal's quest and the Sheogorath's Protection greater power that removes all active effects. It is caused when you actually die when the scripting is supposed to save you before you die. This might also remove the Deadly poison effect, although I hav'nt tried it. Perhaps someone could for me? The risk is great, losing all your active effects but if it saves your character this may prove a priceless method.- M'aiq the Liar 07:57, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Using as potion ingredient with lvl 100 alchemy?

lvl 100 alchemy gives you a choice to make potions out of single ingredients, so does it make up a poison when it is used alone and not combined with anything inferior? ^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.121.45.83 (talk • contribs).}

It always makes a potion, whether you make a single-ingredient concoction at level 100 or whether you combine it with another special effect ingredient. --Nephele^Talk 15:16, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Essential characters?

From the article Poisoned Apples are a specialty item used by the Dark Brotherhood to assassinate people. These items will kill anyone who eats them, no matter what (even if the target is immune to poison) does this apply to essential characters, i.e. if they eat the apple do they die or does it have no effect or what? sorry for the bad sentence structure. Neoman4426 21:31, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Just as long as each sentence starts with a capital and ends with a puncuation, then you officially can type better than 87.5% of the people who can use the Internet :D. Anyway, I'm not sure what happens if an essential character is poisoned. I'm guessing they'll probably fall unconcious and get back up like nothing happened. Anyone managed to do it?--Darth NANAME 21:42, 30 December 2007 (EST)

I've tested this. The character continuously gets up for a few seconds and falls unconscious. The poison apple become a character ability and therefore never wears off. I imagine there should be a command to disable this effect similar to the way it can be disabled on the player.

[edit] Poison apple bomb

Ive heard rumors that when you leave a poison apple for to long on the ground that it explodes into a poisonous cloud, is this true?

No, that's not true. I don't know where you heard that, but it's nonsense! –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 16:34, 19 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Eating the Apple

I distictly remember being able to eat the apple, and after the use of many Restore Health spells, having the effect end. I don't believe I had any mods of any kind active at the time. However, if there were any, they were all official. Darkle 02:30, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm afraid you are mistaken because it never wears off. See Nephele's earlier comment. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 03:15, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I could've sworn I had.. Alright. Darkle 17:05, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Disappearing Effect

I can confirm that the Deadly Poison effect does go away with these potions. Once on an old character of mine, I have potions made with them, and I was bored so I decided to drink the potion. I think the little effect thing appeared on the top right of my HUD, but nothing else did. Darkle 17:29, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

The point about the VN tag is that the article currently says "the potion may become ineffective". Does it always do so? Sometimes? Rarely? I'd guess it always happens since the effect is implemented as a script, but it still needs checking and the text needs fixing. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 00:46, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Oops. Didn't catch that. I'm not sure if it always happens, however, I would assume that it does. I can check here in a little bit. Darkle 18:30, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

I justed tested it out. And every time, after making a potion with the poison apple then saving and reloading, the script effect never takes place. Is that enough for the VN tag to be taken off? Darkle 19:08, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Yup. And edit the text to be less equivocal. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 01:06, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Done. -Darkle 15:33, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Food and drinks, or just food?

The article says I should remove all the food so that the NPC will eat the apple. Does this include drinks like ale and wine, or just solid food like carrots and potatoes?