Oblivion talk:Races

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Does the transclude from Tamriel:Races make sense? It lists a number of races that are never mentioned in Oblivion and some of the individual race pages (also transcluded) have links that then break (see Oblivion:Nedic for examples) when the original page works fine. I think this is due to the {{NAMESPACE}} links in the pages transcluded from.

I propose this page become a separate menu for Oblivion races only (playable and nonplayable) with a link to Tamriel:Races for those interested in any races mentioned only in other lore. --Actreal 04:05, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

The only non-playable race encountered anywhere in Oblivion (other than books) are Dremora. Oh, actually, there's a "Vampire Race" which only has two members that only appear in a test cell. (All other vampires belong to one of the 10 playable races.) It is notable that Oblivion is the first game in which Dremora appear as a race, (NPCs) rather than as creatures.

Question is, when considering lore, do we include books that originated in other games? For example, "Fall of the Snow Prince" is a book from Bloodmoon that mentions Falmer. However, the book exists in Oblivion as well, even though there is no mention of Falmer anywhere else in the game. Include, or don't include? Likewise, there were no Sloads in Morrowind, but there was Sload Soap as an alchemical ingredient. Does that count? What about other races that are considered intelligent, but are only seen as creatures, such as Spriggans or Dreugh? Hard to say what to include or not.

Maybe we should just stick to the playable races on the game pages, and put all the other races on the Tamriel page only. --TheRealLurlock 09:46, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Sounds good to me --Nephele 12:19, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

I removed the transclusion to the Tamriel race page, as I have since modified (and will continue doing so) to include further races (those of Akavir and the Aldmer, among others) which are not encountered in Oblivion. I too support the suggestion to use this page only for those races which are playable in the game, with the inclusion of a link to the aforementioned page (which I shall leave up to you, as I do little work in the Oblivion section). -- Booyah boy 10:12, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

Contents 1 The pictures 2 Dremora 3 Sheogorath Race 4 Height 5 Knights of Order 6 Stats Listing

[edit] The pictures

I think that the Oblivion:Races pages should use pictures of the races in-game, instead of the illustrations from the codex. So if there are no objections, I'll change the picures to the ones that were there before, but I'll re-upload them with the O- prefix. - Xbolt 02:51, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

Hmm, I uploaded O-Khajiit.jpg to test, and when I edit the section on Oblivion:Khajiit, it edits a section on Tamriel:Khajiit. Could someone help me understand this? Thanks. -- Xbolt 19:57, 11 September 2006 (EDT)

The first section of each race page (i.e., the part with general info about the race) is being transcluded from the Tamriel page. So the pictures appearing on the race pages are actually coming from the Tamriel sections. I'd guess for the Tamriel pages the codex pictures are more appropriate than the Oblivion pictures. The question is then whether to add additional game-specific pictures on the Oblivion pages, or not include the codex pictures at all on the Oblivion pages. I'm not sure at the moment which seems more appropriate. --Nephele 20:26, 11 September 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Dremora

Should I add the stats for the Dremora race into the table on this page to allow for side-by-side comparison with the other races, or should I just put that information onto the Dremora page? --Nephele 11:10, 9 March 2007 (EST)

I'd say yes, add it here. While the Dremora may be unplayable (without modding), they are still clearly present in the game, unlike the other non-playable races. -- JustTheBast 14:30, 9 March 2007 (EST)

OK, then, done :) I'll also probably include the information in some fashion on the Dremora page, too, once I work myself up to tackling the vast emptiness that exists on that page. --Nephele 16:12, 9 March 2007 (EST)

[edit] Sheogorath Race

I've removed the bit in the Sheogorath race note about voices, since it's not actually necessary to make a seperate race to give a seperate voice and exclude dialoge that is standard for that race. See Martin, Emperor Uriel Septim, and Mankar Camoran as examples. It is, however, necessary to have a seperate race to give an NPC a real beard. (In Sheogorath's case, it's part of the Tongue nif. Some player-made races include a beard as part of the Teeth nif.) Deathbane27 04:25, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Height

I've added a Height row to the racial stats table, since it is relevant to the player's movement speed and so deserves some consideration during character creation. In case anyone was wondering, I did the test using a stopwatch, running over a straight, flat hall in a dungeon. I changed my race and matched stats using the console, ran runs with Feather spells, and even created some custom races. In all cases an Altmer runs 22% faster than a Bosmer male, 10% faster than an Imperial or Dunmer. And a race with a height of 2 moves 4 times as fast as a race with a height of 0.5.

And if anyone is curious, this was the same in Morrowind, except it was the race's Weight stat, so Orcs moved the fastest, even with their starting Speed attribute. --Deathbane27 22:59, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Anyone else find it ironic that Khajiit females thanks to their lower starting strength and shorter height actually makes some of the worst hand to hand fighters in the game? (They move slower meaning they struggle to outmanevuer taller weapon wielding foes and their lower strength wipes out any advantage they had in hand to hand damage they had and means they take longer to reach maximum potential) --85.62.18.3 14:46, 20 October 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Knights of Order

Since Knights of Order are considered NPC's, shouldn't they be included as one of the unplayable races?

Somewhere else on the Wiki it is stated that Knights of Order are just Imperials with unlootable armor.--LordDagon 12:25, 4 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Stats Listing

Why would the stats not be listed from top to bottom on the page, as they are in-game? -Mrblowtatoes

They've simply been listed in alphabetic order. It confused me for a while, too. --Gaebrial 02:27, 8 May 2008 (EDT)