Oblivion talk:Umbra (sword)

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Contents 1 Enchantment 2 Two Handed? 3 Keeping Umbra 4 Creator 5 Material

[edit] Enchantment

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Umbra's enchantment reads as a normal soul trap (120 secs) enchantment, but it actually has a second function. As Umbra's charge lowers, its attack power rises. The more people Umbra kills, therefore, the more power it has.

However, I can't see any evidence for this. In particular, in the construction set, the only enchantment listed is a standard soul trap enchantment, and there is no script with the sword that would make this happen. Is there any chance that the person who added this was just noticing the damage increase as their character's strength and blade skill increased (see The Complete Damage Formula)? Or else could someone provide the details supporting this statement? --Nephele 10:50, 19 December 2006 (EST)

I just checked this out, again, because the comment had been added back in, this time reading:

While Umbra's enchantment reads as a normal 120 second soul trap enchantment, it actually has a second function. Umbra, fully charged, has an attack rating of 28. However, as the charge lowers, Umbra becomes stronger. With a charge of zero, Umbra's attack rating shoots up to a whopping 33, making it more powerful than Goldbrand.

This time I used Umbra in-game, and twice drained Umbra of charge completely and there was absolutely no change in the attack damage done by Umbra (my Blade skill started out at 51 and got up to 53 by the time I was done; strength=100 the whole time; health at 125%; the damage was 21 the whole time). All weapons in the game can have attack damages that are larger than their quoted baseline damage. For strength=100 and skill=100, the weapon will do 6.25% more damage than the baseline damage. Furthermore, if the weapon is repaired to 125%, it will also do more damage. So I'm pretty sure that all that is going on here is that the player's skill and strength are increasing, and the weapon at some point got repaired past 100% health. --Nephele 23:09, 22 December 2006 (EST)

Nephele, I'm playing the PS3 Version of the game (which I'm assuming is identical to the unpached game+No9 mod). The sword damage registers at 18, 100% health, with a blade skill of 67. I've obtained the sword at levels 19 and 20. I've emptied the sword of soul charge, and returned to Clav. to keep it and finish the quest. The damage stays the same on all occasions.

I have three ideas:

• Umbra is leveled
• 28 base damage is part of an Oblivion patch
• The PS3 version of the game has a modified base damage for Umbra

What do you think? Anyone please chime in to discuss. ---FromHereOn 22:05, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

The damage you will do with any weapon in game depends upon your character's skill and strength. See Oblivion:Weapons#Damage Calculations or The Complete Damage Formula. 18 damage for Umbra is completely consistent with a blade skill of 67 and a strength of about 65. Until your blade skill is 100 and your strength is 100 (or until you can repair the weapon past 100% health), you will never be able to do the 28 base damage quoted for the weapon. No new theories are needed to explain what you're seeing while playing the game. --Nephele^Talk 17:10, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

That makes perfect sense. I had an inverse idea of what the base damage represented. Thanks.---FromHereOn 22:05, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

Is it possible to raise Umbras base damage with either a 'fortify blade' or 'fortify strength' enchantment? I have 100 blade and strength and it states that the base damage for Umbra is 33, although I thought the extra 5 was from enchantments.124.169.114.152 13:47, 25 January 2008 (EST)

This is old, but... In my game, the extra 5 attack (from 28 to 33, with 100 strength and 100 blade), came from repairing the weapon's health from 100% to 125%.

[edit] Two Handed?

A minor point here: My Umbra sword is two-handed. I am playing with OOO, though, which could account for the difference. ^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skyfire (talk • contribs).}

Yep, it's probably a change made by OOO. OOO is, after all, an "overhaul" of the game and therefore intentionally made to be different across the board from vanilla Oblivion, which is what is documented on this wiki. In vanilla Oblivion, Umbra is one-handed. --Nephele^Talk 13:29, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

I can confirm that this is a change made by OOO (as well as a number of other mods). --Gaebrial 05:17, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Keeping Umbra

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Is there a way to keep Umbra and get and get the Masque of Clavicus Vile? I made a new file so I could try to duplicate Umbra and get two of them so could give one Clavicus Vile and keep one. I didn't give up an artifact to Martin I just duplicated Azura's Star so I could have all of the artifacts. But I need to get both of the artifacts from the Clavicus Vile quest. ^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cloud strife (talk • contribs).}

You can try duplicating Umbra using the scroll glitch if the arrow one isn't working. Hand one of those in at the shrine and see what happens. —Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 15:27, 18 December 2007 (EST)

But it's a quest item. You can't drop it.^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cloud strife (talk • contribs).}

Then I suppose you can't duplicate it.

You do realize that the game is designed to force you to make a choice here about which artifact you would rather have? You are not supposed to be able to simultaneously collect every item that exists in the game. And the duplication glitch is just that: a glitch. You are not supposed to be able to create copies of every item in the game. If you really want the freedom to completely ignore every rule that exists in the game, then you'd be better off playing on the PC where you can completely rewrite the entire game if that's what suits you. But on the Xbox 360, it's not possible. --Nephele^Talk 17:52, 31 December 2007 (EST)

It seem pretty much impossible to do without commands. I have tried time and time again to dupe the sword in anyway possible, by cloning myself VIA Skull of corruption to keeping the sword until the SI quest where you fight your self. I have failed no matter what way I tried to dupe it. 77BeTa77 12:22, 7 March 2008 (EST)

It says pretty clearly on the Skull of Corruption page that a corrupt clone will not get a copy of Umbra. Similarly, the SI doppelganger has a (somewhat long) set of quest-related items that will never be copied onto the doppelganger, one of which is Umbra. So it's no surprise that you haven't been able to get a copy of Umbra either of these ways. --Nephele^Talk 12:41, 7 March 2008 (EST)

It was worth a shot anyway I guess. 77BeTa77 17:09, 7 March 2008 (EST)

[edit] Creator

Who created Umbra? Mehrune Dagon, Clav. Vile or Azura? 124.181.248.118 20:21, 1 March 2008 (EST)

I remember reading somewhere that it was made by a (mortal) witch.Can't rememeber where, though. 77BeTa77 12:32, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Is it the Imperial witch Neanrus Werr? She made it. Dagoth Ur, Mad God 06:48, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Naenra Waerr. Close. [1] –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:08, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

i belive the answers you seak are in morrowind :D ... its either in a book i read or some lore that the person who was holding it gives to you before you take umbra. im right to say that technically anyone who comes into possesion of the Umbra... is called Umbra themselves? and its more of a curse than a blessing?--Phillmorton82 08:37, 22 November 2008 (EST)

[edit] Material

I´ve been asking myself, of wich material Umbra was forged. Especially, because its Basic damage is 2 points higher that a daedric shortsword(Lvl25 Str72 Lck53). After playing for a while i got an Idea, maybe its made of Adamantinum!? An evidence for this may be the dark colour and just how nice it looks (no dents like daedric weapons, straight design). ("Umbra" is also the name for a famous dark brown colour, made of dirt found on cyprus) --Falk5T 17:51, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure it is ebonyCrowbar 18:40, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

--- Erm... well.... UmBrA iS mAgIcAl!!! *In a creepy voice* -207.134.114.36 09:05, 27 August 2008 (EDT)Herlock

-- Umm, No, you'll find that (almost) every dadreic item is made of ebony (infused wit hthe soul of a dadrea), I would gues that Umbra is the same but infused with the soul of a man. who's pain, like that of the dadra adds to the damage of the weapon (lore wise0. NB: in morrowind it was the only ebony claymore.