Oblivion talk:Valen Dreth

The UESPWiki – Your source for The Elder Scrolls since 1995

Valen Dreth does not seem to always be a Dunmer. In my game, (as a male Imperial, if that makes any difference) Dreth is an Altmer. I have also read a guide in which the author describes Dreth as Khajit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.192.12.146 (talk • contribs).

Valen Dreth is listed in the construction set as a Dunmer only; normally with NPCs that can be of multiple races, each of the possibilities is listed separately in the construction set then a script or leveled list chooses between them. So I don't see how Valen could be of a different race. How do you know that Valen is an Altmer in your game? Is there any chance that he is just a light-skinned Dunmer who could be mistaken for an Altmer? --Nephele 09:48, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Is there any such thing as an NPC who appears as multiple different races? I'm quite sure I've never seen that before. It wouldn't fit into the lore in any way, first of all. Yes, if you wanted to make an NPC have 2 different races for some reason, you'd need to make separate entries in the CS. But I'm almost certain that never actually happens in the game. Also, other than maybe a little bit on the face, the skin color is never different from one member of a race to another. (The only thing that can cause a significant difference is Vampirism.) Anyhow, Dreth is quite assuredly a Dunmer, and whoever said he was Khajiit was simply mistaken. Or possibly running a mod that changes his race, though that's unlikely. (Valen Dreth is a very Dunmer-ish name, and not Khajiiti at all. If somebody did mod his race for some reason, you'd think they'd change the name as well.) Anyhow, we don't cover unofficial mods on this site so it doesn't really matter. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 01:05, 20 December 2006 (EST)

Yes, I guess that it's possible he is just light skinned. However, that doesn't seem so likely and it still doesn't explain that one person describing him as a Khajit. Though he may simply be non-credible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.192.12.146 (talk • contribs).

Vallen may be lightly skinned for a dunmer since he does infact hit on the player IF the player is female dunmer.

Contents 1 Corpse in Lake Rumare? 2 Other dialogue 3 Kill him earlier 4 Moved Note 5 Dialogue for custom races

[edit] Corpse in Lake Rumare?

I've heard Valen Dreth's corpse can be found in Lake Rumare after you execute him, is this true?

There's no evidence that it's true. It seems to be one of those rumours that refuses to go away. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 01:24, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Other dialogue

It should be noted somewhere how the "fetid piece of Guar dung" dialogue is triggered. 32.156.245.175 18:58, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

It is one of his responses to your counter-taunts (during the DB Scheduled for Execution quest). However, I wonder if adding that onto an NPC page is too much spoiler-wise... We'd also have to add the rest of the dialogue in that quest. Any ideas? Vesna 22:05, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

I think it that it should be removed, or that his other quotes from the Dark Brotherhood quest should be included. The "guar dung" one is from either [Say nothing] or [You're going to die in here]. Felindre 13:30, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Eventually, all his interesting dialogue will be included as part of the ONPCRP. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Kill him earlier

Is it possible to kill him at the start of the game without the console? -66.41.62.253 18:57, 7 March 2009 (EST)

Without the console? No. --Darth NANAME 13:32, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Moved Note

[Any other unique dialogue if the player makes the Dremora class playable?]

I moved (and restored) this just to give a more define answer. Basically, the dremora race is only added through mods, so you will have to read the mod documentation in order to figure it out. –Elliot ^talk 00:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

oh.. sorry XD ill have to look into edits more before undoing --Tabloes 00:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

No, you were right in taking it off, but it is sometime best to move it to the talk page instead. –Elliot ^talk 00:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not added through mods, it's in the standard game. You can't select it - that's all. And there is already a section on the page for "Other" races. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 06:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, by not being able to select, it can be said that it is basically not in the game. No biggie. –Elliot ^talk 06:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

What race do you think Dremora have then? –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Since Dremora isn't in the ten playable classes, I wouldn't consider mentioning it without a PC note. It is isn't about the actual Dremora; it is about the main races and the issue of different console systems. –Elliot ^talk 07:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

"Basically, the dremora race is only added through mods". No it isn't. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

/=>I was wrong. But it is not playable on the console. Which is my point. –Elliot ^talk 07:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dialogue for custom races

I noticed there is some revamping of NPC pages going on, but I did expect to at least see this mentioned somewhere on Dreth's page since quotes for every standard race and sex is included. But where is the entry for what he says when the player is a custom race? I'm talking about the one where he begins something like (not verbatim) "What ARE you?? I don't believe I've ever seen something like you before here in Cyrodiil." GrimmHatter 05:36, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

The most likely reason is that the site is dedicated to the vanilla games and their official add-ons/plug-ins. Since all mods that introduce a custom race are unofficial, information on their content is excluded. Dlarsh^{(Talk,Contribs)} 07:12, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Understood. Though, despite being triggered by non-vanilla material, what Dreth says is itself vanilla. There are other items mentioned on this wiki that are not part of the vanilla game, though they are accessible via mods and the construction set. I don't see why this topic should be any different. GrimmHatter 21:35, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, the origional content of the Construction Set is considered part of the game, so everything in it is as well. Even if it wasn't added to the final product, the origional code is still there. That being said, if Dreth already has this line in the CS, some mention of it (along with a comment that some custom race mods use it) should probably be added, though I don't have access to a CS to say whether it's there to begin with or not. As for the mods, most of their content on the site is only located on their pages, while most other mentions of mods tend to be those that fix certain bugs/glitches in the main game and are (again, to the best of my knowledge) only the bigger ones (UOP, Tamriel Rebuilt and the like). The custom race mods tend to be smaller and less prolific than those that are generally referenced. Dlarsh^{(Talk,Contribs)} 22:01, 22 September 2009 (UTC)