Skyrim:Promises to Keep

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SR-qico-Miscellaneous.png Help Louis Letrush get Frost from Sibbi Black-Briar.
Quest Giver: Louis Letrush
Location(s): Riften, Black Briar Lodge
Reward: Gold, Frost if you persuade Louis Letrush to let you keep him
ID: MS03
Louis Letrush and Frost

[edit] Quick Walkthrough

  1. Speak to Louis Letrush about Frost.
  2. Talk to Sibbi Black-Briar about it.
  3. (Optional) Tell Maven Black-Briar about the plan.
  4. Steal Frost's lineage papers.
  5. Steal Frost.
  6. Return to Louis Letrush.

[edit] Detailed Walkthrough

When given the quest by Louis Letrush, you are directed to talk to Sibbi Black-Briar in the Riften Jail, where you can bribe or persuade the guard to be allowed to go in. He explains the whole story of how he got in jail. He mentions that the horse he owes to Louis is not his; in fact, it's owned by the whole Black-Briar family. He directs you to where the lineage papers are, at the Black-Briar Lodge. If you're feeling greedy, you can persuade Sibbi to give you the key to the strongbox containing 250 Septims in the lodge.

You can, at this point, tell Maven Black-Briar about the plot. She asks you to proceed as expected and steal Frost, as she will take care of everything. Having informed Maven or not, make your way east of Riften to the Black-Briar Lodge. The guards will attack you if they see you, so be careful. They each carry a Black-Briar Lodge Key. The doors are locked at levels dependent on that of the player, though the front door tends to be more difficult to lockpick than the side entrance; both can be opened using the Black-Briar Lodge Key.

Frost located at the stables

The easiest way to complete the in-lodge requirements is to kill or evade the outside mercenaries, then enter by the back door, which puts you on the upper level above and mostly out of sight of the dining room containing four mercenaries below you on the main level. The reason for bothering with the upper level at all is to get the unusual gem in the master bedroom on the upper level. If your sneaking skills are high, you can just slink into the bedroom and grab the Stone. If not, or if you just want to kill all the mercenaries, your position as you come in by the back door is perfect, forcing the guards to funnel toward you down a long narrow hall, enabling you to snipe them one by one.

To the right of the ladder in the basement is a strongbox containing 250 gold on top of a crate. The strongbox is master level but can be opened using Sibbi's Stash Key if you got it. Around the corner, you will find the lineage papers on a table. Take the papers and leave the lodge.

Steal the horse named Frost and follow the road away from the lodge until you get close to Louis' quest marker, then cut north to meet him. There are bandits and spiders between the road and Louis, so be prepared to fight them and protect both Louis and Frost; if either die, you will fail the quest. A few well-timed save games will serve you well in case one of them dies.

For your completion conversation with Louis, there are multiple options:

  • Receive the payment and to let him go with the horse. It's possible to receive the payment and then immediately steal the horse also, but the quest will count as finished without double-crossing Louis. Note that stealing the horse will make Louis attack you.
  • Kill him and take the horse and his items.
  • Persuade him to give you the horse and the payment, threatening to tell Maven about everything.

The latter two will grant you a horse, although it won't appear in the statistics as a "horse owned"; still, it behaves like an owned horse (helping in fights, waiting where you leave it, and so on).

[edit] Consequences

  • If you persuade Louis into letting you keep Frost, a random event may occur in which a thug appears in front of you claiming to have a "message" from Louis, and then proceeds to attack you.
  • If you kill the Black Briar Mercenaries and take Frost but do not bring the horse to Louis, you will eventually be tracked down by Black-Briar thugs who have a bounty on you. Kill them and you will find a note instructing them to "deal with you" (and kill if necessary).
  • If you tell Maven and then deliver the horse to Louis, you may encounter a thug and Louis. The thug will kill Louis unless you intervene, and the survivor will attack you.

[edit] Bugs

  • After you first speak to Louis, Maven has an incongruous dialogue option to inform her about the theft, even though you have not yet spoken to Sibbi and don't yet know about the plot to steal the horse.
  • If you inform Maven before you have gone to the lodge and stolen the lineage papers, your quest may inexplicably update to show completion of "Steal Frost's Lineage Papers". This bug deprives you of the quest marker on the papers when you get inside Black-Briar Lodge, but you can still complete the quest as normal. Picking up the lineage papers advances the quest. If you simply cannot do without the quest marker and want to inform Maven, steal the Lineage Papers first, then tell Maven, then go back to the lodge and steal the horse (see strategy paragraph in main section, above).
  • Sometimes Louis is hostile when you are going to give him the horse and will attack you on sight. This might occur after stealing items in the house. To work around this bug, just wait for a day in the city and try again.
  • Louis gets duplicated outside of Whiterun near the stables, sometimes stuck in the ground.
  • Upon meeting Louis with the horse and making the exchange, he may run off instead of mounting Frost, leaving you to take the horse. This happens when you exit his speech early after asking about your pay.
  • If the game is saved while riding Frost and then re-loaded, it's possible Louis will appear standing in the same place where you are sitting. If you trot or gallop, Louis will likewise appear to walk or run, though remaining stuck in the same place on Frost's back. ?
  • In the part of the quest where you speak to Sibbi in jail, it is possible that your follower—although by your side the entire time—may end up locked inside one of the jail cells upon your leaving. Unlike losing them in the wilderness or a cave, they will not find their way out upon fast traveling or waiting. The only way to get them out is to pick the lock.

[edit] Quest Stages

Promises to Keep (MS03)
Stage Finishes Quest Journal Entry
5 Louis Letrush wants a message taken to Sibbi Black-Briar.
Objective 5: Listen to Louis Letrush's offer
10 Louis Letrush wants me to ask Sibbi Black-Briar about Frost, a breeding horse Letrush is buying.
Objective 10: Speak to Sibbi Black-Briar
Objective 20: (Optional) Steal the Lodge Stash
25 Sibbi Black-Briar has asked me to steal Frost and deliver him to Louis Letrush.
Objective 25: Steal Frost's Lineage Papers
Objective 30: Steal Frost
Objective 50: Return to Louis Letrush
200 I have been rewarded by Louis Letrush for stealing Frost from Black-Briar Lodge.
225 I have been rewarded by Louis Letrush for stealing Frost from Black-Briar Lodge.
275 Finishes quest
300 Fails quest
  • The following empty quest stages were omitted from the table: 15, 250.

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