Skyrim talk:A Cornered Rat

Esbern won't open his door

When I talk to Esbern, his dialogue (sound && text) is missing. Right after i convinced him to open the door he shuts his window and stands behind the door, doing nothing. Anyone else encountered that problem? --79.194.20.5 21:09, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm having the same issue. — Unsigned comment by Onihige (talk • contribs) at 22:58 on 12 November 2011

Exactly the same problem here. Figuring I'll use console to get past it. Movetoqt might work, as well as setting quest stages experimentally. — Unsigned comment by 62.142.168.64 (talk) at 02:32 on 13 November 2011

Had the same issue; leave the area twice and return. The quest will continue, but there will be no dialog. Talk to him whenever he pauses and his movement will resume. -- Sramdi (talk) 01:42, 12 September 2012 (GMT)

Did you have any luck? I tried tcl and just wanted to start a conversation, but i feel ignored ;) --79.194.31.68 05:55, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Me again, I did some experimenting. After you talk to him, type setstage MQ202 160 and setstage MQ202 170, it'll open the door and make him talkative again.. I hope, his later

I found this on Youtube: use BSA unpacker, just unpack Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa with this program in data folder and it will work

Dialogue is fixed. --79.194.31.68 06:09, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

This fix is also described in detail here. --79.194.31.68 20:51, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

(←) I encountered the same problem and the setstage thing worked but after the door opens and I talk to him again he has the same dialogue as when I talked to him at the door.-WTF- -pc- — Unsigned comment by 174.58.97.140 (talk) at 07:04 on 16 January 2012

Confirmed on PC: Just removing the Skyrim.ini did the trick for me. Prior to this I could pass through the dialog (w/o sound obviously), but he wouldn't open the door afterwards. — Unsigned comment by 81.243.136.251 (talk) at 21:33 on 18 January 2012

Text edited out

I've edited out this text from the detailed walkthrough, as it's not specific to this Quest but occurs when you first meet Byrnjolf, regardless of other quests.

at the market. He will ask you to steal Madesis' silver ring from Madesi' stall located on the other side of the market. When Byrnjolf has everyones attention by presenting his wares sneak to the stall and open the display case. It is quite hard for guards not to notice you and you will probably be caught. It doesn't matter if you are or not,although you will have to pay a small fine (usually 10 pieces). If you don't get caught, go to Brand-She and plant the ring on him. Byrnjolf will then tell you to go to the 'Ragged Flaggon' in the ratway sewers. There will be a few enemies on the way. — Unsigned comment by 188.223.31.229 (talk) at 19:31 on 23 November 2011

A dragon in Riverwood

Is it common that when you bring Esbern to Riverwood, there is a dragon waiting for you there? Or is it just a suspiciously placed random encounter? When I saw him, I was certain that it was part of the quest, and was surprised that nobody talks about it. - 85.222.89.208 06:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

It is indeed a random encounter. Dragons will show up occasionally when you enter towns or cities, or fast travel to any location.Ninepaw 20:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Not a Thief?

I don't want my mage to have anything to do with the Thieves' Guild. Can I pull an end-run around that quest and just go to the Flagon and get through it without associating with them at all? — Unsigned comment by Daedalus (talk • contribs) at 00:39 on 30 November 2011

Yes you can. Just exit (TAB) the dialog with Brynjolf before asking him "What do I have to do?(Or something like that)" and ask the barwoman. The journal objective will then point to Esbern removing the one on Brynjolf. -PGR — Unsigned comment by 178.128.47.154 (talk) at 21:18 on 1 December 2011

Glitch in A cornered rat.. 360

When I leave the thalmor embassy and return to Delphine, she does not give me the quest. I have saved and tried again several times. I even went and found esbern but he will not talk to me at all. Says go away and closes his little window. What do I don to start this quest? Xbox 360 70.187.228.156 07:17, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Has anyone else had this happen and what can I di to fix it? Do I have to buy another disc? 70.187.228.156 13:53, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Dragon attack frequency increase?

I notice more dragon attacks on major cities after completion of Diplomatic Immunity. I took a break from main quest line during diplomatic immunity and did all other quest lines (did all achievements except main quests and Thu'um Master). During those many many hours of game play, I never saw a dragon attack on solitude (my main residence) and whiterun and almost all of attacks on other small towns occurred during night time. Now I completed all other quest lines and after finishing diplomatic immunity, I encountered 2 daytime attacks on solitude during a few visits to my residence. I also notice more frequent attacks on riften i.e another attack occurred even before the previous dragon bone had a chance to disappear. Now I just finished a cornered rat and will see how attack frequency goes. (ZekunD 12:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC))

Workaround for Glitching Esborn in Delphine's Room in Sleeping Giant Inn

I was able to coax the mute Esborn from "Rat's Way" to Delphine's room in the Sleeping Giant, but Esborn would give no more dialogue. Delphine kept telling me "let's see what Esborn has to say," but the old bugger wouldn't react to me at all. In my frustration I began blasting him around the room with my "Unrelenting Force" shout. Eventually I blew him partially out of the room (into the stairway) and when he returned - the quest updated! And I was able to talk to him! I went through his mute dialogue and Delphine took it from there. Now we're own our way to Sky Haven Temple. Just thought I'd let others know about my brilliant "Dumb Esborn" fix. 173.216.227.225 03:59, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Help i cant find Esborn

he opened the door out of his "hovel" and after that i started to leave the area (thinking he was following me) but after i left i went to speak with Delphine (via fast travel) but he wasn't there so i went back to the ratway and as soon as i left the vaults to get to his room my Xbox froze in the loading screen and when i reloaded the last save i was auto saved in the room i was trying to enter, but esborn was not there only some other man who babbled on senselessly I'm so confused! — Unsigned comment by 50.50.89.92 (talk) at 17:22 on 7 February 2012

Possible fix for quest not starting after completing diplomatic immunity

I had this bug today and using the console to move the quest ahead didn't work, but I didn't want to skip the whole quest and move on to Alduin's wall since I'm still on my 1st playthrough. Looking for a fix I read somewhere a guy had this problem on his xbox, and after he went back to an older save where Dirge was alive and completed Diplomatic Immunity again, the quest then started no problem.

After a quick look around on my game, Dirge was lying dead in the ragged flaggon. Resurrected him with the console, then did setstage MQ202 10 and voila, quest started. I think I tried setstage MQ202 5 also but it didn't work.

If anyone else can confirm this as a fix, might be worth adding it to the bugs section? — Unsigned comment by 86.26.49.20 (talk) at 20:25 on 4 March 2012

Gissur

Gissur may be seated at a table in the Ragged Flagon when you get Esbern's whereabouts from Vekel the Man. After you end conversation with Vekel, Gissur will get up from the table and leave the Flagon. Vekel will suddenly say That one, right there, walking out the door. He was one of them asking about that old man you were looking for. If confronted, Gissur will only rebuff your attempts at conversation. However, he can be attacked and killed with no repercussions, and other Thieves Guild members will join the fight on your side.

Should the above info be added to A Cornered Rat notes? Some of it is mentioned on Gissur's page, but it seems more important for the quest. --Xyzzy 05:27, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I haven't seen this, but it's certainly notable and I think it should even go in the detailed walkthrough. Vely^{►Talk►Email} 14:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok. If nobody objects, I will cut and paste the above info into a new note on the quest page. --Xyzzy 16:20, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Missing voice files for Esbern

The only situations I know of where this happens is with pirated versions of Skyrim which is why the missing voice files can be downloaded from several websites known for promoting software piracy such as Pirate Bay. If the user purchased a legitimate version of the game they could simply do a re-installation of the game. Is there a policy on promulgating solutions for players using pirated software?--DagmarH 21:00, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I do not know if anyone with a legitimate copy has had the issue; that's a very good thing to point out, actually. The fix of downloading the files would be more convenient than a reinstallation, but removing the link would make it harder for pirates to get to it.

I do not know if we have an actual policy on piracy, but I assume that we should minimize such solutions for legal issues. I'll remove the solution for now, since reinstallation or extracting the disc's files should fix the issue for anyone else. Vely^{►Talk►Email} 21:19, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Playing the game on the XBox360, I've noticed Esbern appears to have two distinct voices. For the majority of storyline dialogue he has the voice from the trailer, while at other times he has a completely different accent and sounds closer to a Breton or Imperial. I wonder if those experiencing missing voices are missing particular ones, like to ones that don't sound like to main actor? If this is the case it could still be a glitch somewhere that might be dependant on individual installation. 31.109.172.60 19:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

You are incorrect, it just happened for me in the perfectly legal Steam version; I've installed the game when it was 1.4 and met this quest only when game was autoupgraded to 1.7, and that quest was broken as described. Deletion of .ini files worked for me. — Unsigned comment by 91.77.173.122 (talk) at 21:44 on 30 August 2012

Vekel the Man & Dirge Persuasion

Hey, I just thought I would say that's it's a fairly high persuade check (around 80 with no perks) in order to get them to be succesfully persuaded. I didn't know where else to put this but here, and someone might want to add this into the article. — Unsigned comment by The Drunken Elf (talk • contribs) at 08:39 on 16 August 2012

Cheap Trick for esbern

• Another cheap trick (PC version) is Simply Go console and write tcl on / off
  • Move to Esbern's room, Talk to him, he will open the door from inside. Talk to esbern again (unfortunately no sound and fast dialouge). until you choose dialouge option "Im a DragonBorn". Move to his Work desk, He will take something from his Chest. and he will follow you. If he is just standing still, ask him "do you know the way out ?", he will move and freeze again. ask him to "wait here" then "Follow me". sometimes he will stuck and looking into dead body that you've been slain. Drag the dead body out of his sight. Escort him out of Ratway.
  • Once in Riverwood. (If Quest stage "Escort Esbern to Riverwood" has not been finished) In secret room, Delphine will talk to Esbern, but Esbern won't respond. Esbern will keep staring at you. Move out from basement until both alone. Quest stage "Escort Esbern to Riverwood" should be Finished. Delphine will talk to Esbern, but Esbern will reply with no sound and fast dialouge. at this point, Esbern should talked about Alduin, and Sky Haven temple, and proceed to next quest. But Esbern still won't speak at Alduin's Wall quest. However, I rock BSAunpacker at the end.

Zerov (talk) 03:37, 14 October 2012 (GMT)

Incorrect quest info list

That list seems to be from the Diplomatic Immunity quest. His should be mentioning finding him, talking to him, etc. 75.70.89.124 11:14, 13 June 2013 (GMT)

I'm not sure what you're referring to. I don't see any copied info from Skyrim:Diplomatic Immunity. This does mention finding him and talking to him. Are you sure you looked at the right article prior to posting this? --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 13:20, 13 June 2013 (GMT)