Skyrim talk:Bjartur

Opening Bjartur's Prison Door

I can confirm that she'll say "it's locked for a reason," though for me she said it simply on seeing me walk up to the door, in the usual range to unlock it. Interestingly, her door is not unlocked by the same key as any other jail cell door. 99.111.84.234 08:30, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation, but the dialogue is actually a generic line, so I've removed it from the page. – Robin Hood↝talk 20:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Unheard dialogue

The article says that two of her lines of dialogue are supposed to be spoken at a smithy, but I've heard her say them randomly many times while exploring the dungeon. The one I'm absolutely positive I heard her says was the "filthy sons of horkers" one. Can anybody confirm? --Xyzzy ^Talk 14:13, 11 October 2013 (GMT)

I can confirm she says both lines regularly during her time in the dungeon. Vainamoinen -Talk -Stuff 02:03, 11 November 2013 (GMT)

Ok. I'll edit the article. Thanks for the confirmation. --Xyzzy ^Talk 04:44, 11 November 2013 (GMT)

Blacksmith note

What part of the "game data" indicates that she was supposed to work at the Solitude Blacksmith, because I can't find any trace of this. — Unsigned comment by UnknownG (talk • contribs) at 13:51 on 15 August 2017

Two lines of dialogue (son's o' horkers, Imperial dogs) have an additional unattached schedule package attached, named SolitudeBlacksmithWorkDay8x14 (34bd0). Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 13:51, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Does Bjartur reveal that the Empire aided the Aldmeri against Hammerfell?

During a conversation between Bjartur and Ahtar, she questions why Ahtar, a Redguard, has sided with the Imperials, as The Redguards gained their independence after fighting off both the Aldmeri and the Empire.

Though this is the only dialogue i've seen indicating the Empire may have actively fought against Hammerfell after the Great War, it makes a lot of sense when considering the Empires actions to keep Skyrim from seceding, as well as the Legions absence in Skyrim till 4e181, about when the war in Hammerfell ended.Thorus (talk) 01:42, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

No, it does not suggest that the Empire aided the Dominion. It does suggest a conflict between the Empire and Hammerfell independent of the Dominions actions. The wording could simply refer to Hammerfell having to "fight" the Empire's agreement to basically split the province in half, the result of which was the secession. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:33, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, so Hammerfells rebellion against the Empire may have been purely political, and in the 5 years the Redguards were physically fighting off the Aldmeri, they were fighting off the empire politically. But if this was the case, why would the Empire need all its legions and be unable to send any to Skyrim? you don't typically need the entirety of your armed forces present during a negotiation Thorus (talk) 03:26, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

More than likely, it was an act of self-preservation in terms of retaining its whole. I don't see the Empire sending troops against them the same way they did in Skyrim, the circumstances are very different. First the Empire would have wanted to see Hammerfell independent rather than another vassal state, as it would give the Dominion routes to High Rock and Skyrim making them vulnerable to direct ground attacks. They would also have wanted a weakened Dominion, and whether or not they lost, allowing Hammerfell to use all its armies against the Dominion would do that. I doubt there was significant enough support to stay in the Empire and split the province to allow the Empire to send in troops, where in Skyrim a significant proportion of the populace and the ruling elite supported the Empire and actively disliked Ulfric. The Empire doesn't have a lot of troops, and most of them would be actively guarding the borders with the Dominion. Were the Empire to show any weakness by diverting significant troops to Skyrim the Dominion could attack and decimate the remaining troops and the diverted troops would be too far away to respond quickly. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 17:35, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Wait, so your saying that the rebellion against the Empire in Hammerfell, One that the redguards "fought off the Empire", was just border defense on the part of the Empire o.O? I find that a tough pill to swallow, as I do that Hammerfells forces are stronger than the rest of the Empires forces combined. and the Dominion did show just how weak the Great War left them when they failed to win their conflict in Hammerfell, though the Imperial Legate simple says "The truth of that assertion can, of course, never be known", thats kind of like pitting a mountain lion against a half dead mouse, then shooting the lion dead and stating who would have won can never be known, sure, but using Logic, you can extrapolate the most reasonable outcome. So, after years of playing border defense, not Helping Hammerfell fight the Dominion, the Empire finally sends legions back to Skyrim (and presumably Highrock)? wouldn't they still need forces to defend themselves against their new enemies, the Redguards? There is bad blood between the Imperials and Redguards, Ahtar even disowned them as his people. More of Skyrims citizenry supports Ulfrics cause, so much so that they are able to field an army that keeps several Imperial Legions sent to Skyrim specifically to fight in the civil war, at a standstill, even with the added drafting of local civilians. I don't believe the Empire is as weak as you do, as written in the book on the great war, they only lost effectively 3 legions of soldiers — Unsigned comment by Thorus (talk • contribs) at 23:07 on 27 October 2018‎

We've already strayed beyond what would normally be stopped and sent to the forums, but you've made some really bad assumptions and mixed definitions. Hammerfell is not an enemy to the Empire, it is only opposed to what the Empire tried to do to it, there is no danger of invasion from Hammerfell. The Empire likely has troops on that border as any sensible nation would do, but both have a common enemy and it is in their interests to focus their efforts on defeating that enemy and not weaken each other. Hammerfell didn't beat the Dominion because the Dominion lacked numbers, it didn't know how to fight the conditions that the Redguards fought the war with. Could Hammerfell have realistically fought off the Dominion while also stopping an invasion by the Empire, and would the Empire have done that knowing it would be exposing its borders to potential Dominion attacks. You asked why the Empire did or didn't do something without trying to put yourself into the mind of the leaders of the Empire, you're almost looking at it from the complete opposite of where you should be. They don't know what troops the Dominion has, they (on a purely self-preservation basis) cannot take the risk that the armies they have left after losing entire legions can be split when they couldn't hold them back before (can the Emperor risk losing the Imperial City again). Don't throw numbers around that you have no basis for. 5 of the initial jarls in Skyrim are against Ulfric, and only 3 others for. Significant proportion doesn't mean most or even majority, it can still be a minority, but there is no way to tell what proportion of the ordinary populace supports Ulfric. What is your basis for several Legions being in Skyrim, we only know that "the legion" is in Skyrim.

Basically you are reading far too much into one throwaway comment from a completely unreliable witness, without displaying any knowledge of the fears that lead to countries having armies, or what they do with those armies once the have them, or any sense of the tactical thinking that goes into major decisions like whether or not to invade another country because you tried to do something really bad to it and it said no. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 00:34, 28 October 2018 (UTC)