Skyrim talk:Farengar Secret-Fire

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Unnecessary Information[edit]

I'm not sure we need "Also if you steal from him he will eventually send 3 thugs after you that have 100 gold each on them." A lot of characters will send hired thugs after you if you steal and are not caught. The gold on their person is randomly generated. So unless this event is somehow special to this character, this needs to go. Kaisar Dragon 23:21, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Then delete it. That's how a wiki works. If someone finds it necessary to be there, they will add it again. 79.98.72.213 01:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
If it's a common occurrence in the game, then it needs to be mentioned in the Crime & Punishments area of the wiki. I've only seen this NPC do it, so far, and I've stolen more than a thousand items in game from merchants/etc without being spotted. — Unsigned comment by 24.73.62.21 (talk) at 02:21 on 12 December 2011
Spoke to him for the first time today when my character had an alchemy skill of 28 and they made a comment about him overheating spriggan sap, which he responded favourably to. Thought it'd be worth mentioning — Unsigned comment by 77.102.186.159 (talk) at 23:20 on 28 December 2011

He may be just novice wizard[edit]

I just spoke with him with completed Collage of Winterhold questline and I said to him something like you don't want to walk into your own Shock Rune and he said I never even used one. It looks like he isn't some good mage.--89.212.123.233 00:43, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Not really. I use runes of other elements of Magic (Fire especially) and this doesn't make me novice because I don't use Shock Rune. Anyways, as Farengar's title amplies, he probably is a Fire Mage and not an Electric Mage and is possible that he uses Fire Runes instead. --SilentResident 02:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
This might be just me, but I took that line to mean that he didn't cast that spell in the area such that he could have stepped on it.--75.187.177.176 00:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Inherited money[edit]

I accidentally killed Farnegar secret-fire and 1 hour later I received a note from a courier with 100 gold saying I inherited that money when he died. wtf? — Unsigned comment by 58.165.16.83 (talk) at 13:58 on January 2, 2012

Sure, "accidentally". Stick to that story. Anyways, sometimes characters who like you will leave you money if and when they die. Minor Edits 21:09, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Thugs[edit]

Can anyone confirm other NPCS that hire thugs when you were not detected stealing things?

In my game he had 3 fairly powerful goons (full plate armor and enchanted weapons and hard hitting, I am level 20 and they probably would have killed me if all 3 had hit me at once).

The thugs had a note that said to teach me a lesson but not kill me. I do not think they would have let me live, however.

Farengar sided with his thugs against the guards, who protected me from the assault, so the guards killed him. I think that would confirm that he is not very skilled as well, he did not put up much of a fight. — Unsigned comment by 66.18.49.84 (talk) at 13:46 on 11 January 2012

Text not tied to quest progress[edit]

He keeps suggesting to me "If you've got the aptitude, you might join the Mages College in Winterhold" even though I've recently become their Arch-Mage. Other NPCs do address me as archmage correctly. Does this qualify as a bug then? ;-) WooShell 21:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

He does that to me as well. I don't know if I'd cal it a bug, though. More of an oversight, if anything. 98.165.113.110 06:11, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Anyone else heard this?[edit]

After leveling Enchanting to 100 and picking the Extra Effect perk, I enchanted some bow with Absorb Health and Paralyze effects. Then he said that he doubts anyone in Skyrim could weave better enchantment. I wonder if that dialogue line is exclusive to Farengar, or other people who give Enchanting tutorial (if there are any) or court mages say that. — Unsigned comment by 178.56.233.135 (talk) at 18:25 on 23 March 2012

I've heard that line of dialogue for more generic enchantments (for example, while enchanting 50 iron daggers), but I was at Enchanting level 100, so I don't know. • JATalk 07:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
It looks like any court wizard can say it, plus Kesh the Clean can say it, and your enchanting skill has to be 80 or higher. Robin Hoodtalk 07:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Gift[edit]

In two instances with different characters, I received a Cure Poison potion from this guy as a "token of friendship". I might have added it in notes, but I don't know the conditions upon which he gives you something (after which quest, whether the gift varies), or the exact dialogue he uses when he does this. 98.165.113.110 06:11, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It probably doesn't need to go on the page - lots of NPCs will give you random gifts if you're friendly enough with them. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 07:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Not Essential...[edit]

The main page says Farengar is essential (until stage 30 of The Whispering Door), but I haven't touched this quest in my current playthrough, and he dies just fine... Not sure if that info was just badly worded or what (maybe meaning he becomes essential when starting the quest?), but in all my playthroughs, Farengar has been very killable. --EllaFirebird (talk) 20:05, 25 May 2013 (GMT)

Looking in the Creation Kit, it seems that he's made essential as part of Bleak Falls Barrow, which technically starts at the beginning of the game (even if you don't see it that way in-game). He's also essential through the entirety of Before the Storm, though that's redundant to BFB. After BFB, it looks like he's killable. To add to the fun, it seems Dragon Rising won't start without him, so if you manage to get him killed, you might well block the main quest. There could be other ways in which he's made essential, though. It's hard to trace these things in the CK. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:25, 27 May 2013 (GMT)

May have meant to be a follower?[edit]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Farengar boasts a unique voice actor correct? I zapped him with Amazing Follower Tweaks so I could give him a makeover and it turns out he has full follower dialogue. Perhaps he was meant to be a follower at some point. might be worth putting in a notes section if he was indeed lined up to be a follower but was cut at the last minute. 107.2.140.220 07:58, 16 February 2015 (GMT)

Farengar has the MaleEvenTonedAccented Voice Type. Although I don't see any follower on this list at first glace, I assume they just recorded follower dialogue for all generic voices, and later decided on the actual followers and their voice types. -- SarthesArai Talk 17:17, 16 February 2015 (GMT)
Vorstag shares his voice type and is a follower. If I recall correctly, a lot of follower dialogue is specified by voice type rather than NPC, which is why followers with the same voice type tend to have similar dialogue. —<({QT>> 03:39, 17 February 2015 (GMT)