Skyrim talk:Orc Strongholds
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I used 'Orc Stronghold' in the place category because that's the term used in the game data. I just searched through all the game text and confirmed that the phrase 'Orcish Stronghold' never appears in any game text, whereas 'Orc Stronghold' does on many occasions. One prominent example is the book The Code of Malacath, which is subtitled "A Sellsword's Guide to the Orc Strongholds". We should stick to the in-game naming standards. --NepheleTalk 01:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
- I think that's the wrong decision. "Orcish" is used as the adjective in almost all cases: all items use "Orcish" (Orcish Shield of Dwindling Fire, Orcish Battleaxe of Soul Snares, etc). rpeh •T•C•E• 09:11, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
- "Orcish" may be used in other cases, but Bethesda never uses it in this case. I count ten separate instances (in dialogues, books, and other in-game text) where 'Orc Stronghold' is used, plus another 19 editor IDs that use 'OrcStronghold'. But zero cases of 'Orcish Stronghold' or 'OrcishStronghold'. I think we want to keep the redirect at SR:Orcish_Stronghold, because I can see that readers are likely to search on that name, too. Nevertheless, the page should match the name used by the game. --NepheleTalk 09:30, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 Forgemaster's Fingers
Does the quest grant access to all strongholds in Skyrim?--Shm0key 04:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
- There is an additional way to gain access to all of the Orc strongholds in Skyrim (aside from being an Orc or completing the forgemasters fingers).
- When completing the quest to clear the Forsworn from Kolskeggr mine there is an Orc miner [name needed] that lives with Scaggi Scarface. Upon completion of the mine quest, the Orc will thank you for helping, and tell you he "will send word to the strongholds that you are a friend".
- You will be able to ride right into any of the strongholds after this without being challenged by the guards.
- This was on my first playthrough (xbox360). I was a Nord. — Unsigned comment by 184.108.40.206 (talk) at 09:53 on 18 December 2011
- I think by helping specific orcs you gain access without having to do their entry quest. For me. i turned in a significant amount of books to Urug at the CoW until
- He eventually said that he'd send word to the orc strongholds to allow me in as bloodkin — Unsigned comment by 220.127.116.11 (talk) at 23:52 on 18 December 2011
(←) This article should mention that if you have already gained approval for access by other means then you cant do this quest. and why does the formatting of this page look like something from the the WWW in the mid nineties????. 18.104.22.168 13:17, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- I would agree with you on the first bit, and I'll add the note to the page. As for the formatting, I don't see anything wrong with it, but if you feel you can improve it, feel free to do so. ABCface◥ 03:45, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 entry page
I believe we need a page that describes the various ways to gain entry. Most of the stronghold pages list the forgmasters fingers as the only way a non orc gains entry. This is false as there are a variety of ways, all involve helping a specific orc who will then alert each stronghold to allow you freedom to barter and talk to the members. I know that bringing a daedric heart to the smith in understone keep will allow entry, and others have posted similar ways--Lord.Baal 21:20, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
If you have a follower with you that is not an orc, are they not allowed in the stronghold? Lucien_LachanceDB 04:05, 6 January 201 (UTC)
- no they are allowed in with you. (Eddie The Head 04:08, 6 January 2012 (UTC))
 Urag gro-Shub from College of Winterhold
He also grand you to permission to enter strongholds and mark you Dushnikh Yal but I don't know what do you need to do to get it.
I won't add this to list since I don't know the tringer.--22.214.171.124 12:54, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- All I can say is that he indeed can make you Blood-kin, but I don't know the trigger either. I believe I was made Blood-kin when I fetched the second book for him, but I can't say for sure. Wolok gro-Barok 13:46, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- I think basically you are made a blood-kin if you complete any quest for an Orc so that they call you a friend is what it takes. The point of including how to access the strongholds is to tell the readers the quickest ways to do things around. If you think it will better suit the page to include all possible ways, illa est all quests that involve an Orc, then we also have to change the wording. --Joshua.yathin.yu 18:30, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
I've found the Forgemaster's Fingers, and given them to the Chief (Mauhulakh of Narzulbur) but even after I've completed the quest and Mauhulakh names me Blood-Kin, I still am shouted at for trespassing. I did the quest to take advantage of the ebony mine at Narzulbur, but I really don't want to have to wipe everybody out. Is there a fix? Scum 17:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
- If you're only concerned with taking advantage of the mine, you've got nothing to worry about. You won't actually have to kill anyone. The Orcs in the mine may speak to you as if you're not supposed to be there (saying you're 'not welcome' and things like that), but you can still go through the mine and use the veins to get ore (unless they're being used by someone already). I'm not sure how this situation will affect other Blood-kin advantages though (such as access to merchants). Alphabetface 05:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- My Orc is refused entry because she is "not an Orc". I suspect it may be due a bug caused by her being a vampire, but have not tested this yet... — Unsigned comment by 126.96.36.199 (talk) at 04:34 on 2 March 2012
- After completing the Forgemaster's Fingers I've been granted entry into the Orc stronghold, but taking anything is considered stealing, and I can't enter the actual building without picking the lock. Not sure if that's normal, or a bug. Also after traveling to Markarth an Orc made a comment about my character not being blood-kin. Do other Orcs outside of the strongholds not recognize the blood-kin status? How do you know for sure if you have it? James 10:00, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
(←) Not sure of this is intended but I entered an orc stronghold as an orc vampire and I was not considered bloodkin and had to complete the forgemaster's fingers to gain complete entry. Is this a bug or do they know I am a vampire and not consider me bloodkin because of it? Oddjobhat 07:00, 02 September 2012 (UTC)
- I think this is because when you become a vampire, the game changes your race to a new vampire race rather than your original race. ABCface◥ 04:20, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 The Cursed Tribe
- In my experiance, it has the same effects as blood-kin status, and I am unable to get that status from other quests once I complete The Cursed Tribe, so I would assume that it does. This should be confirmed in the game data, though. Coronus 18:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm not excatly sure what the conditions are for it but Durak of the Dawngaurd can give you Blood-Kin status if you ask him. He'll say no at first and after a certaian number of side missions for the Dawnguard it is granted by him. The reason I am mentioning this is so we can either put that in the Blood-Kin section of this article or his article. --Enriquevv75 01:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
- I've seen this as well, but I'm unsure of when it happens exactly. It shouldn't be added to the article until we have an actual quest reference, though. ABCface◥ 17:43, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 Cracked Tusk Keep
Should Cracked Tusk Keep be mentioned here? It's a keep with only Orc hunters and two buildings of Orc design and or architecture. God, Orc is a weird word. Orc. Orc. RyrMyrByr (talk) 06:41, 30 November 2012 (GMT)
- No to both; they aren't Orc strongholds but are instead a military fort and a mine respectively. There are only four strongholds according to Psylocke 11:27, 30 November 2012 (GMT) . ~
 Blood-Kin not recognized by Mogrul
So I have done the Largashbur stronghold quest, and returned the warhammer to Malacath's shrine, but I still cannot get the quest from Mogrul in Solstheim. My character incessantly asks him if I can be blood kin, even though it seems I am freely permitted into the strongholds in Skyrim proper.
- Ignore him? Mogrul has nothing to do with the strongholds (none on Solstheim). He also doesn't really serve any purpose in the game besides being a consequence for completing Relunctant Steward. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 11:11, 23 March 2013 (GMT)
 Strange Bug
I wanted to become Blood-Kin for obvious reasons but for some reason none of the quests let me become Blood-Kin. When I first approached Dushnikh Yal,a dragon was attacking me. Since all the Orcs were fighting the dragon, there was no guard to tell me that only Orcs are allowed. After the fight, I WAS able to open dialogue, but then after I waited 1 in-game day, there were only 5 Orcs left in the Stronghold, even though only one died (not the Chief). I can't even find the Chief anymore, and although none of the Orcs tell me to 'Go Away', I can't open any dialogue with them. I did many of the quests that supposedly make me Blood-Kin but I am clearly not.