Skyrim talk:Phinis Gestor
 Hired Thugs
Potential spoiler: Near winterhold, on my way to do a companions quest, I was ambushed by "Hired Thugs". One of them had a contract stating that they should kill me signed by Phinis Gestor. This seems like it might be a bug, as my only previous interaction with Phinis was buying some conjuration spells. Phinis himself also has nothing to say about it. Any ideas? 220.127.116.11 16:51, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- I had the same thing happen, but with the Dark Brotherhood before I joined them. I was freaking out! I think its just one of those random encounters things? Did you read about those? Its pretty cool, except when a fugitive and hunter interrupt my fight with an ice wolf and I die because of it. I was SO ANGRY. But that's beside the point. 18.104.22.168 17:24, 12 November 2011 (UTC) Kiira
- Hired Thugs are a random encounter triggered by stealing. One of the thugs will always be carrying a contract signed by someone you've stolen from. It is another "consequence" of stealing, which makes sense given how prevalent coin pouches and chests with gold are in the game. Also, you need not be caught in order to have the thugs hired. The merchants are rather smarter than in oblivion and morrowind and will figure out who's been stealing all their stuff - even if they can't catch you at it. Limduhl 18:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 Missing Apprentices
Skyrim:Phinis Gestor mentions that 4 apprentices have gone missing, this doesn't give a quest marker. He mentions Skyrim:Borvir and his twin Skyrim:Rundi were attempting to setup a meadery competing with black briar by chilling the mead with frost magic. Skyrim:Ilas-Tei was practising illusion magic with skeevers and Skyrim:Yisra was working with improving flame cloaks in arctic conditions. All can be found in winterhold reasonable close to the college, all predictably dead. Each has a named item. The items are not quest items and phinis does not change dialogue even when you have the entire set. I assume either his dialogue is just a pointer to go find them and their minor loot, or its an unfinished quest. 22.214.171.124 18:23, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- It's part of a minor riddle. The rings of the students can be found in a chest in the Arcaneum. If you go to the garbage hold (I don't know the proper English translation) under the college there is a hand of oblivion in one room. If you place the four rings on the right fingers the hand will close and a Dremora is summoned. He will talk to you and will give you the choice of freeing him and getting a map to a high valuable random treasure chest or fighting him back to oblivion. I have chosen the first and got some nice loot. Phinis doesn't comment on this. I don't know about the consequences of banning/killing the Dremora. 126.96.36.199 20:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- The above comment is very inaccurate. The rings you find in the Arcaneum Investigator's Chest do exactly what this person has stated, however, these are not the apprentices Phinis is talking about. Besides, one of the apprentices (Yisra) has an amulet and not a ring. You find their jewelry pieces on their bodies around Skyrim, not in that chest. How do you know? Because Phinis tells you the names of all 4 of them, and they do NOT match any of the names of the rings in the Arcaneum's chest. This seems to be a quest that is either bugged or unmarked. There is virtually no information regarding this except for a few cryptic mentions on other wikis about the "Lost Apprentices" quest, which doesn't seem to actually exist. We'll find out someday, I suppose. — Unsigned comment by 188.8.131.52 (talk) at 14:03 on 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Looking through the CK I happened to notice that there actually is a quest called "The Missing Apprentices". It doesn't have any quest objectives, so you're not given any hint in-game that such a quest exists -- other than Phinis' initial dialogue. Nevertheless, it appears to have a reward, making me wonder whether anyone can actually confirm whether the quest can be done in-game.
Based on the CK data, you can take each of the four apprentice's unique items (Borvir's Dagger, Rundi's Dagger, Ilas-Tei's Ring, and Yisra's Necklace) back to Phinis, prompting a different dialogue each time. Once you have taken all four items back to Phinis, there's then a final dialogue:
- Well, all of the previous Apprentices have been accounted for, thanks to you. Here, why don't you take this. It was intended to be given to the best in their group as a reward for their hard work. It's the least I can do for your help in putting this matter to rest. Oh dear, I didn't mean to say it like that. That wasn't a joke, really.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure what the reward is, because the related script can't be accessed.
- Having collected all four items returning to Phinis with them fails to initiate any new dialogue options or reponses. — Unsigned comment by DM (talk • contribs) at 12:12 on 17 June 2012
- that's because the quest stage never quite proceeds past 10 (no trigger that does that, try setting stage manually)--Lampuiho 06:28, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- I just set the stage of the quest freeformwinterholdcollegeB to 10 and all those dialogue options appear without even aquiring those specific items. Even though this quest is incomplete script-wise, the audio recording and lip-sync files are available.--Lampuiho 06:39, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 Incorrect Info
The page talks about the missing apprentices and has confused them with the people mentioned in the Midden Incident Report. The Apprentices that Phinis mentions are just random corpses that can be found at certain locations and their items have nothing to do with the Gauntlet in the Midden Dark. Lord Eydvar 22:03, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- I removed it from the page, no point in leaving it if its incorrect. — Kimi the Elf (talk | contribs) 22:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 Lost apprentices
Done just about everything i can think of, but still no mention of these from phinis. Tried finishing all other mage quests, collecting parts w o the talk topic etc and still no luck triggering the dialog. So far, none of his "lectures" mentioned it.
- Ive had that dialog option with him at 8am in his room with the sarthaal quest started before heading to sarthaal. 184.108.40.206 13:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 He thinks I'm trespassing?
So, not sure where this came from but for some reason, whenever I'm in the Hall of Countenance now, Phinis follows me around and yells at me that I need to leave. I can't think of what I did to piss him off, but damn it, I'm the Arch-Mage, I leave when I want to. He seems fine when I actually talk to him, and so far he hasn't reported me to the guards, but it's getting a little annoying having him yelling at me all the time. Has anybody seen this happen before? Any idea what might cause it and how to fix it? TheRealLurlock (talk) 05:32, 10 February 2013 (GMT)