Skyrim talk:Redguard

Redguard Stereotypes

I wonder if we should mention that Redguards in TES V are not all dark-skinned. It is easy to create a blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Caucasian Redguard. (Though I'm not sure if that's a lore change, or if they just added it for politically correct reasons.) Kerrick 23:49, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

It's also quite easy to create any number of different shades and shapes of various races. It's easy to twist the races to look like basically whatever you what. However, it's much easier (and a better read) to point out the obvious traits shown by most members of the race, not all of the complex possibilities. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 23:53, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

It's very important to understand that Redguard are not black people, even if they are represented like it since Daggerfall. It's always stated that they are dark skin people not black skin people, it's not the same thing. If you read at the culture of Redguard, it's more appropriate to say they are Arabic people. — Unsigned comment by 65.92.82.98 (talk) at 04:13 on 10 December 2011

I think they are portrayed more akin to Spanish or North African Moors than Arabic peoples. Khajit seem to fit the Arabic description better than Redguards. Unfortunately, Morrowind didn't possess sufficient graphics to show this and their portrayal (visually and audibly) in Oblivion had more in common with our current president, making it hard to make a distinction one way or the other. Skyrim perhaps does the best job yet - not only by providing superior graphics, but by allowing for a wider range of appearances. An example of this: I don't think it was possible to create a Redguard in Oblivion that didn't have a wide nose and fat lips. This is a terrible stereotype and I'm glad that it is possible (though still not the obvious choice of the developers) to make a Redguard appear distinctive and not like an African American. — Unsigned comment by Kastagir (talk • contribs) at 16:22 on 28 December 2011

Sub-Saharan people are NOT "african-american", and therefore they do have a wide nose and big lips. It's a physical characteristic seen on most, if not all, persons who have african origins. That's not stereotypical, nor is it offensive in any way. It's diversity, and diversity is a beautiful thing Elakyn 22:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

(←) Oh for God's sake! I'm Black, not "African-American". You'd be hard pressed to find Black people anymore who even take that seriously. Never in my life have I referred to myself as "African-American". It's a PC term, that like most PC terms, is ridiculous. Good show, Elakyn! Yes, it is a very common characteristic seen in us. While I myself have smaller lips (my mother is half Irish), my nose is quite wide. I used to hate it as a child but have grown to accept it for who I am. The Redguards, yes, appear to be based more on Arabic/Berber culture than anything, though their history on Yokuda was much more similar to feudal Japan. I found it strange in Skyrim that they have bonuses to any form of magic, as lore states that magic is not tolerated well in Hammerfell. That's why in Oblivion "Trayvon the Redguard" makes such a big deal of him even being in the Mage's Guild. People need to remember, though, that this is fantasy fiction. While the Redguards are modeled after Black people, they aren't Black. They're Redguards. Not every Germanic is some blonde-haired, blue-eyed He-Man, yet that is how the Nords are portrayed. And for the record, I rarely play as a Redguard, as I don't like "hack-n-slash". I prefer magic classes. — Unsigned comment by 75.172.182.211 (talk) at 12:57 on May 9, 2012

I think we've gotten the point that Redguards are generally dark-skinned regardless of color, and can keep it like that, yes? If you'd like to keep discussing what real-life race/culture TES races are most similar to, please take it to the forums. Vely^{►Talk►Email} 17:04, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

This topic is (now) unrelated to the content of the article, and more suited to the forums. Please feel free to continue the discussion there. This topic is now closed.

Dreadlocks?

Greetins'. I'm currently in China studying away, and thoroughly looking forward to playing Skyrim when I return to the States. I've been looking away at what I can of Skyrim, and thus far, been very pleased. I was just wondering if someone might be able to tell me if Dreadlocks are an option for hair of any of the races? By dreadlocks, I mean long, frankly awesome dreads (think Bob Marley or --I can only dream-- Damian Marley). Thanks for any information. 182.242.239.18 08:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)鬣狗

Yes you can have dreadlocks! Actually you have two type of dreadlocks, one with dreadlocks ponytail-style (hairs are fix behind head) and one with dreadlocks Mohawk-style (shave on the side but dreadlocks on head). There's no Bob Marley hair-syle with dreadlocks loose on head! Sorry if you are looking for those! — Unsigned comment by 65.92.82.98 (talk) at 22:01 on 13 December 2011

Redguards and Orcs can have dreadlocks, although there's nothing aside from the above-mentioned types Elakyn 22:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Traits

I would like to add that Redguards' traits are rather weak : Resist Poison is highly situational, and you won't find any poison that can kill you in game unless you use mods, and Adrenaline Rush is the same effect as a vegetable soup, but it only lasts one minute versus 12 minutes for the soup (which has no cooldown, incidentally). I would add this myself, but the page is semi-protected. 78.192.200.125 16:52, 24 December 2012 (GMT)

As a rule, we don't add opinions to articles. The wiki is intended as an encyclopedia of game knowledge. --Xyzzy ^Talk 17:35, 24 December 2012 (GMT)

Respectfully, I don't view that comment as an opinion since it is in fact part of the game and is functional just as stated. It is a fact that the Redguard racial bonus is weak (and highly situational) in comparison to all the others. — Unsigned comment by 83.162.248.193 (talk) at 18:32 on 27 April 2014‎ (UTC)