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[edit] Bug? Stuck Before 3/3

I finished A Daedra's Best Friend and Ill Met By Moonlight, returned Runil's journal, saved Valdr and killed a giant for bounty quest, but the number of people I assisted was still 2/3. I am not sure it is bug or some of the above quests don't count. I couldn't do Hert quest because I did Dark brotherhood quest first. Mathies wouldn't take my wheat. No one else gave me any quest. Luckily, I found a post online about dropping armor and it worked. Tekla took the glass shield I dropped and it counted toward the assist quest. (ZekunD 00:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC))

also did Valdr Hunting Party quest, returned Runil's Journal, Ill Met By Moonlight and bounty (killing a dragon) at falkreath and only got 2/3. Quimoniz 01:05, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
I also finished A Daedra's Best Friend, Ill Met By Moonlight, Runil's journal, Valdr's hunting party, cabbage for the farmer, and the Jarl's requests but still haven't been able to get it. Nobody picks up stuff I drop, either. This is on PS3. — Unsigned comment by 71.224.121.2 (talk) at 22:42 on 14 January 2012
I'm having the exact same issue. Other than the initial "kill the bandit leader" request from the Jarl (after getting him the mead), and selling cabbage to Mathies, none of the other quests or miscellaneous objectives for that region are counting towards the 3/3 goal. I'm stuck on 2/3 now and I'm convinced this is a bug. --109.175.185.11 17:18, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
I ran into a similar issue, also playing on PS3. I completed both A Daedra's Best Friend and Ill Met By Moonlight, but my quest journal still shows 0/3 for assisting the people of Falkreath. I started the first one prior to asking about being made a thane, but I started the second after that. Cappo 21:17, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Same happened to me, just any time i dropped something, they didn't ask for it, they just said that I should take better care of it, and give it back. — Unsigned comment by 86.139.26.75 (talk) on 10 April 2012

() Regarding difficulties completing Thane of Falkreath requirements. I was also experiencing the "stuck at 2/3" for the Falkreath Thane mission. I completed all the major quests for Falkreath, plus several of the Bounty and miscellaneous side missions. I only received credit for the first two (sold some cabbage, and retrieved a journal), but no matter how many other missions I did, nothing counted toward helping the people of Falkreath Hold. It was suggested that I drop some armor and allow someone to have it, but no matter what I dropped, it went completely unacknowledged by citizens and guards. Finally, thanks to some helpful advice found online, I chopped and sold firewood to Hert (thankfully she was alive). This act successfully completed the requirements for Thane of Falkreath.
[On Xbox 360 w/ Dawngurard and Hearthfire DLC] - — Unsigned comment by TripperCosmo (talkcontribs) at 09:22 on 18 September 2012

Yeah bounties don't always seem to be counted, I've had this happen in several holds. As for Falkreath the 3 I know usually work are selling vegetables, stealing the note for Dengeir, and bring the Ashes to Runil. Lord Eydvar Talk | Contribs 09:24, 18 September 2012 (GMT)
I had the same issue. I was stuck on 1/3 despite completing the major quests and 3/4 of the side quests, but after I sold the vegetables to the farmer it updated to 3/3. — Unsigned comment by 81.108.230.44 (talk) at 14:14 on 9 January 2013
Ok, I have a slightly different problem, in that I had just completed the Jarl's task and he offered to make me Thane if I help the people of the hold. We'll 2 dragons came by and before I knew it and killed almost everyone important. I really didn't notice because their bodies we're behind buildings and under bushes. I went off and did some other quests and by the time I came back to Falkreath, I couldn't re-set the game far enough back to make all of them alive again. The farmer (Mathies) is dead, Lod is dead, Runil is Dead, the shop owner (Stodil?) is dead. I can't complete the Daedric quest because Lod can't tell me to find the dog. Dengeir doesn't ask me to steal the letter, so he must know Lod is dead. I've chopped the wood for Hert, and dropped the shield and even killed a dragon for a bounty, but for the life of me can't figure out how to help someone to get 3/3, still stuck on 2/3. I did Ill Met By Moonlight and rescued Valdr hunting party. It's bad enough I can't complete the Daedric quest lines, but I don't think I can become Thane either? Does anyone have any suggestions for triggering another quest so I can complete the Thane quest. Do any one the expansion packs add new people or quests int he Falkreath area? Thanks. Hard to image they wouldn't make Lod or others un-kill-able until after their quest had been triggered.
2/13/13 — Unsigned comment by 76.168.250.231 (talk) at 04:28 on 14 February 2013
I'm having a very similar problem as well. I've done the quests for Lod, Dengeir, Runil, 2 bounties and invested in one of the shops! But I cant even get the prompt for becoming Thane!! Its driving me nuts! Any help would be great! — Unsigned comment by 173.31.128.15 (talk) at 00:09 on 4 July 2013
For PC, use the console command: setstage favor258 20 and it will finish. Confirmed. ~Vashtari via mobile (can't sign) — Unsigned comment by 76.182.102.157 (talk) at 05:44 on 2 September 2013

() A Daedra's Best Friend, Ill Met By Moonlight, saving Valdr and bounty quests do not add to the Falkreath thane quest. (Bounty quests don't affect disposition. You need quests that affect disposition.) This quest is hard to complete at all if Runil is dead, unless you have Investor. The fastest way to do it without Investor is to sell cabbages (or something else) to Mathies, deliver Berit's Ashes to Runil, and chop wood for Hert. No combat needed, presto Thane. --Morrolan (talk) 13:22, 6 September 2013 (GMT)

Thanks, selling one potato plant to Mathies did it for me. The only gripe is that the misc. "Help people of Falkreath 2/3" quest failed to point the quest marker to Mathies.--Lmstearn (talk) 02:36, 7 February 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Problems with becoming Thane Related to the Rare Gifts Misc. quests

Apparently the questline is tied up with the "Rare Gifts" quests. I had one of these miscellaneous quests in my log - specifically, the one requiring me to deliver a copy of the book "The Mirror" to Aldis in Solitude. Naturally, I had no reason to believe that this quest would mess with anything, but Siddgeir's Black-Briar Mead variation of the Rare Gifts quest is necessary to earn Thaneship in Falkreath, and since it is not possible to have more than one of the quest variants in your log, it's possible for this to get in the way. It took some research before I found the problem, so it might not be a bad idea to add something in that mentions this, along with a quick link to the Rare Gifts article so players can resolve any issues quickly.86.175.42.208 18:24, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

(It appears the above paragraph was deleted - I haven't reverted it in an effort to spite, I'm just doing so to ask why it was removed - it seems relevant enough to me. I've signed it this time, on the off-chance that was the issue.) — Unsigned comment by 86.175.42.208 (talk) on 4 January
I'm not sure why you think the paragraph was deleted. The only change made to the paragraph was when you just overwrote it. Otherwise, no edits have been to the page since it was added yesterday -- see the page history. --NepheleTalk 20:24, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, that's weird. It wasn't appearing when I checked in on this talk page. Maybe I was getting a cached version or something for some strange reason. Oh, well. Sorry 'bout that. 86.175.42.208 20:29, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Confirming that "Rare Gifts" quests do in fact stall Falkreath Jarl from offering you the quest. I had a quest to "Bring one Song of the Alchemists to Lami" in Solitude and could not get Jarl Siddgeir to offer me his quest until I had cleared it. [Link] This was after talking to everyone and completing all the Falkreath quests including a couple radients from the innkeep. — Unsigned comment by 216.8.131.220 (talk) at 19:33 on 16 March 2013

() Yes, this is correct. However if you have Hearthfire installed, then you get a note from the Jarl of Falkreath by courier at level 9 which lets you skip Rare Gifts for Siddgeir. Otherwise you can always join the Stormcloaks; conquering Falkreath for them installs Dengeir, who doesn't need Rare Gifts or a bandit favor to let you start the Falkreath thane quest. --Morrolan (talk) 13:25, 6 September 2013 (GMT)

[edit] Twice a Thane

I completed this quest while Siddgeir was Jarl. Later, after completing Rescue from Fort Neugrad, I returned to find Dengeir had taken over as Jarl, and he offered me the thaneship all over again, straight away. As a result, I have two Blades of Falkreath, one notably better than the other as it's a levelled reward. Peterguard 19:20, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

You can do this for every single minor hold plus the Reach and Whiterun (although Whiterun gives an axe and a blade from the different jarls). --Morrolan (talk) 13:25, 6 September 2013 (GMT)

[edit] Siddgeir not offering Thaneship

I have brought him his Black-Briar Mead and have cleared out the Bandits he wanted killed, and he doesn't offer any dialogue option to become Thane of Falkreath. I have done additional quests in Falkreath in attempt to force him forward, to no avail. Are there any reasons Siddgeir would be refusing to offer the dialogue option to become Thane of Falkreath? Possibly the death of his Housecarl during the Dark Brotherhood quest line? Completion of the Civil War in favor of the Imperial Legion? 70.28.245.100 12:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I had this problem too. I'm pretty sure it's from killing the Housecarl - people seem to get stuck in a "Foe" relationship with you if you've killed someone they're close to (even if they don't see you, so I consider it a bug). I was able to become Thane after correcting my relationship with him: player.setrelationshiprank 00019822 2. Though I don't remember if I ever delivered the mead for him, so you might try setting it to 0 or 1 instead of 2 and see if you can work your way up (by doing bounties, etc.). --VSim 04:43, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

[edit] No option to become thane.

I have talked to the jarl sid or whatever his name was and he only has two dialogue options, one is to ask how long or how he became jarl or something and the other asks if his inexperience is a problem. Since then i have done the two daedric missions and some bounties and he still has no dialogue telling me how to became thane. Can someone please tell me if this is a bug or something? 217.137.157.197 22:59, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm having the same problem. I just killed everyone in the Dark Brotherhood compound, so that might have something to do with it. — Unsigned comment by 70.179.44.138 (talk) at 04:36 on 12 October 2012 (GMT)
See here for the bug relating to if you have already killed his housecarl during the Dark Brotherhood questline. -Helenaannevalentine(talk) 04:43, 12 October 2012 (GMT)
I am having the same issue, but i have not done any of the dark brotherhood quest line. I thought i had installed the dlc and hadn't and did all the quests in Falkreath. When i got no dialogue to buy the land after becoming popular in town (pleasant greeting ect) i realised the dlc wasn't installed. After installing the dlc, i get given the 2 letters by the courier and told to speak to the Jarl, but the dialogue about his letter does not appear when trying to speak to him and appears to be irreversibly bugged. When i tried loading up a older save pre Falkreath missions, i meet the courier, go the jarl and the dialogue is there. I'm guessing i jumped the gun and f*****d it up! Anyone know how to fix this so i dont lose 14 hours of gameplay please? (XBOX 360) gamertag- maiden of haste 5:39, 29 October 2012 (GMT) 79.70.71.81
This happened to me as well, I waited a month ingame and the option appeared. My best guess is that the radiant quest to kill a bandit leader had no viable targets because I'd already cleared all the dungeons on his list, when I went back after playing around in Markarth for a month he sent me to Embershard Mine, always the first location I go because it's at the start of the game. If you don't get the response option to the letter, you need to wait for some bandits to respawn. — Unsigned comment by 31.185.159.254 (talk) at 12:48 on 20 December 2012

[edit] Odd

I just started my fourth playthrough of skyrim ( after I bought the new dlc's ). Oddly enough, I just reached Whiterun and just as I was going to enter the Bannered Mare, a courier stops me and gives me a note from the Jarl Siddgeir, offering me the title of Thane for helping his people. I've only just started the game . Funny, yeah ? — Unsigned comment by 138.250.193.50 (talk) at 19:05 on 28 October 2012‎

That letter is triggered by Hearthfire. It doesn't offer you the title. It triggers the start of BYOHFalkreath which lets you skip Rare Gifts. --Morrolan (talk) 13:28, 6 September 2013 (GMT)

[edit] Bug not listed on page

Thane gave me his first quest (a bottle of mead) but wont give me his second. Eventually he even sent me a letter asking me to come by but the dialogue option still isnt available, despite the map marker over his head.

And no, I havnt killed his housecarl. I havnt even started the dark brotherhood questline. — Unsigned comment by 69.62.156.214 (talk) at 18:55 on 8 November 2012‎

[edit] Diplomatic immunity quest speech

I recently installed the Hearthfire dlc. I got the letter from a courier (The courier was wearing no clothes) when I traveled to Falkreath because thats the faction that I got, the Jarl is always sleeping. and when I do talk to him his speech options are from diplomatic immunity and I tried killing him and reloading but nothing happened. Ill try and reload an earlier save and see what happens. If anyone can help me that would be nice — Unsigned comment by 24.8.152.35 (talk) at 00:09 on 6 August 2013

[edit] Bug moved from page

  • The favor counter can get stuck before reaching 3/3, regardless of which quests you do.
    • This can be fixed by selling cabbages to Mathies.

I think this bug is there because the previous page listed a lot of quests that don't actually advance the assist citizens objective at all. I've removed them all. If there's another bug with the assist citizens objective, someone post it here and we can reexamine this bug.

The bug workaround suggests doing Gather Wheat for Mathies, which is one of the few favor quests in Falkreath that actually works properly, and is now listed in the table. --Morrolan (talk) 16:27, 8 September 2013 (GMT)

[edit] Bypas for Dark Brotherhood quest preventing becoming Thane/Buying property.

A way around the Dark Brotherhood quest "Contract: Kill Helvard" preventing you from purchasing Lakeview Manor and becoming Thane of Falkreach. If someone could clean this up, add quotations and references and make it look spiffy, that would be great.

For the PC version only, using "Player.setrelationshiprank 00019822 4" (For Jarl Siddgeir - Would have to get the id reference for Jarl Dengeir of Stuhn if you havn't chosen a side or sided with Stormcloaks) Using this will change the disposition of the Jarl to friendly with you, opening up once again being able to become Thane and being able to purchase the plot of land.

[edit] I can't even talk to anyone I am suppose to assist to become a thane.

I killed the bandits, was offered and purchased property and built Lake-view Manor. I asked the Jarl (the younger one) if there was anything else could help him with and he told me he would like to appoint me Thane but I needed to assist the people of his hold. I went to the saw mill and the only dialogue option was if I wanted to buy wood. I went to the older former Jarl and he just keep repeating the same line about his past time as Jarl, being replaced etc. I can't even locate Lod nor the people from the farm. It seems I can't locate anyone to assist. Any suggestions? — Unsigned comment by 24.205.98.74 (talk) at 19:13 on 6 December 2013

Look here. If everyone you could help is either dead or otherwise unfindable, I guess you have no chance to complete this quest by normal means. If you're on PC, you could use the console command setstage Favor258 20. -- SarthesArai Talk 22:11, 6 December 2013 (GMT)

[edit] Cannot become Thane, tried everything, please help

I own Skryrim Legendary Edition on the PS3 and really want to become Thane of Falkreath so I can purchase Lakeview Manor. The bug first began where I got a letter after installing Hearthfire telling me to speak to the Jarl of Falkreath to buy land relatively early in the game. I ignored it, completed "A Dadera's best friend" and some other quests around the hold, but did not speak to the Jarl about the letter, Thaneship or Land. I then liberated the hold for the Stormcloaks, so Dengeir is now Jarl. However there are only two options when speaking to him (and none of them involve Thansehip or land) and his steward only yields information about herself and some radiant quests when asked about. Sometimes when I walk away from Dengeir he says "I'll be Jarl again someday, I swear!" I completed the quest to steal the letter when he was not Jarl. If you need to know for some reason, the radiant quests in the log are: Two of the Thieves Guild "Jobs" Steal the Dragons Breath mead for Olda in Dragon Bridge, Find a copy of the Last Scabbard of Akrash for Ghorza, Steal the Statue of Dibella in Markarth Temple. I have not killed Helvard, or any of his court. I haven't done anything to piss him off either, and completed Ill met By Moonlight. I have done more than 3 favors for the people of Falkreath. Is he not recongnising is status? Any help, anything, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Farenthor (talk) 00:04, 23 February 2014 (GMT)Farenthor

I don't know if it'll work, but try talking to Siddgeir in Solutide and see if that'll let you continue the quest. Robin Hood  (talk) 01:46, 23 February 2014 (GMT)
I tried that, he just told me to piss off. — Unsigned comment by Farenthor (talkcontribs) at 11:40 on 23 February 2014
If you could report the actual words he used then it would help narrow the conditions that he is under, we are only trying to help. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 20:56, 25 February 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Drop some armor pieces in front of citizens and let them have it when they request it?

Who in Falkreath will pick armour up? What value does it have to be?

Unless I invest (i.e. waste) 4 points in Speech, this is my only option to getting thaneship.Chaosworrier (talk) 11:02, 16 May 2014 (GMT)

Value doesn't matter. Any NPC with these voice types will trigger the event. --AN|L (talk) 16:06, 16 May 2014 (GMT)
Thanks for responding but given that I am on a 360 and can't just look at that data, is it possible (please) to just list the people in Falkreath with those voice types? I have tried dropping good armour in front of everyone I see in that hold, to no avail... — Unsigned comment by Chaosworrier (talkcontribs) at 11:16 on 17 May 2014
The people with the voice types can be found in the categories and then cross-reference that with the Falkreath People page. Or alternatively look at the categories at the bottom of a selected NPC. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 14:01, 17 May 2014 (GMT)
Well, Indara Caerellia is supposed to fit the bill but no matter how many times I dropped armour in front of her, she did not take the bait, so to speak. Her husband is another potential candidate but I have already done a favour for him, so it would be moot to try to get him to pick up armour, anyway. — Unsigned comment by Chaosworrier (talkcontribs) at 05:19 on 18 May 2014‎
Like 99% of world interactions, its activation is random. Once activate it would then seek for people able to fulfill the criteria. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 09:27, 18 May 2014 (GMT)
I'm sorry but could you please re-word your last sentence as it is not making sense, to me?101.168.127.225 03:02, 19 May 2014 (GMT)
Basically, just because you drop something doesn't mean that the 'quest' will start. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 03:09, 19 May 2014 (GMT)

() I just looked in the Creation Kit and here's some more detail, just for completeness. Not only is it random, but you also have to trigger every other "quest" in this section that has to do with dropping things (or fail to drop the required item within a certain timeframe). So if it's currently waiting for you to drop a weapon, let's say, you can drop as many armours as you like and the quest won't trigger. You'd have to drop a weapon or wait until it stops wanting you to drop a weapon—then hope that it randomly decides it wants you to drop a piece of armour next. Most of the so-called quests in this section will only reset after 12-48 hours (depending on the quest), so deliberately getting someone to take some armour would very likely take quite a bit of time unless you're extremely lucky. Robin Hood  (talk) 03:42, 19 May 2014 (GMT)

So, does that imply that I should also drop other things (weapons, clothes) to try to maximise the chances?101.168.170.152 02:06, 20 May 2014 (GMT)
That would improve your chances, yes. Go through the list and see what needs to be dropped to satisfy each of the drop-based quests. Then just drop all of them at once and see if anything happens. Also, wait after each successful drop and then re-try. In theory, you should trigger a new drop quest after either 12 or 48 hours. Good luck! Robin Hood  (talk) 13:54, 20 May 2014 (GMT)

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