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[edit] Bug - A Night to Remember

It looks like if you get teleported to Markath by another quest, the event which triggers this quest chain never starts (if you grab the books involved by the quest first at least). You can still get the quest but Eltrys never spawns. He can be spawned with player.placeatme 00013394. PC version without patch. — Unsigned comment by 158.136.3.10 (talk) at 04:16 on 12 November 2011

If you mean appearing in the Dibella Temple after too much drink, there's no problem. W still sticks a knife in his victim when you encounter them & E give you "your" note. 118.208.86.234
I got to Markath for the first time through that drinking competition and my quest was fairly bugged - didn't have any of the quest in my log until I left the Warrens and had Dryston beat me up. Ended up randomly going into Talo's Shrine and started the next quest despite only having done 1/8 of the quest. Really buggy. :( — Unsigned comment by 123.243.126.106 (talk) at 12:37 on 4 December 2011
I had this same problem. Woke up in the Shrine of Dibella at nighttime the instigating incident in the marketplace never happened. Pickpocketed Thonar's Journal and then wandered into the Shrine of Talos where three guards wanted to arrest me for murdering a man I had never met! I had no idea what was going on. 93.96.149.93 00:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I didn't notice this quest being any buggier than usual when I woke up in the Shrine of Dibella on my first character before completeing this quest. However it might have been because as soon as I got out of the temple I fast traveled and the game for some reason decided I didn't discover Markath. — Unsigned comment by 24.228.51.14 (talk) at 00:33 on 14 July 2012
How do i start tha quest "Forsworn Conspiracy" if i entered Markth via "A night to remember", i have done "A night to remeber" like 100 houers ago so loading cant be an alternative — Unsigned comment by Veacktor (talkcontribs) at 13:00 on 3 October 2013

() Go to the main entrance to Markarth. When you get to the vendor stalls, Weylin will attack. --Morrolan (talk) 13:09, 3 October 2013 (GMT)

I might had found a solution for this quest to be proceded if the player enter Markath using " A night to remember quest" So if u kill Weylin , right after that just enter the console command "player.additem 000D1955" to recive Eltry's note, than go to the Shrine of talos , at Eltry's corpse use the console comand "markfordelete" and right after that use the console comand "player.placeatme 00013394 1" to spawn Eltrys and the quest shall proced normal — Unsigned comment by Veacktor (talkcontribs) at 13:39 on 3 October 2013
Wait, Eltrys is dead? That can only happen at the end of this quest, after you've already completed it. He's essential. --Morrolan (talk) 13:42, 3 October 2013 (GMT)

[edit] bug - Quest Items

on the ps3 version, when i completed this quest it took all of my quest items from my inventory. — Unsigned comment by 108.75.40.143 (talk) at 21:55 on 16 November 2011

I'm on the 360 and I didn't lose all my quest items, just the 2 fragments of the Gauldur Amulet I had. I ended up reloading one of my autosaves to where I entered the shrine and got arrested so I left the quest, finished the quest to completely reforge the amulet and then went to finish this quest. I purposely emptied my inventory of everything first, except for my 3 quest items, the 2 diaries for this quest and the Saarthal Amulet. Lo and behold doing this quest again ended up with me losing the Saarthal amulet. So now I've had to reload my autosave again to go sort out the Saarthal amulet quest. Damn annoying. --Lyco499 06:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Your quest items are removed at the end of this quest, and given back to you after the next quest No One Escapes Cidnha Mine. -- DoL 20:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
They should be given back, but there seems to be a problem with adding quest items to the inventory. I just ran into this problem myself. My best guess is that quest items aren't able to be added to the inventory (by console or otherwise) for some reason or another, which prevents the game from returning your quest items come the completion of "No One Escapes Cidhna Mine". Best thing to do seems to be to finish any other quests involving quest items first - might be worth noting in the article. Shinymoogle (talk) 03:14, 4 April 2013 (GMT)

[edit] Another bug. - Guards/Legate

When I was supposed to return to the shrine instead of three guards there were two plus the legion legate of markarth. — Unsigned comment by 174.252.179.9 (talk) at 02:04 on 14 December 2011

Same for me (Xbox 360, no updates through Live). The Legion soldier asked me to join the Imperials (I haven't joined any of them yet) and then the marker shows on one of the pillars. No updates. No nothing. No quest ended, no new started. :-/ Tockenen 09:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
OK, after 300 different tries, this is my workaround ;-) I had visited Nepos first, and that was obviously wrong somehow (hmm) so I reloaded an earlier save and started with Thonar. Then it worked. No legion officer this time, and now the guards wanted to arrest me, so I've just gotten into the prison/mine now - and the next quest has started. Tockenen 10:57, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
I can confirm this, doing the quest in this order resulted in me getting arrested by the three guards, triggering the next quest in the questline. --Conjuring iLLusion 08:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
I followed this order, but still Legate Admand is there instead of one of the guards. The Legate cannot be killed, which means my only option is to continue fighting him or surrender to the guards right away. — Unsigned comment by 24.9.83.1 (talk) at 07:46 on 9 March 2012
I ran into the Legate there and he tried to recruit me into the Legion. The two Markarth guards were only interested in gossiping about the resurgence of the Dark Brotherhood in Dawnstar (I've finished that quest line). Eltrys is dead at the foot of Talos and I robbed his body, but the guards and the legate took no notice. This is after Patch 1.5, by the way. --174.6.51.17 07:54, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

() I seem to run into this bug quite a lot, so here's how to fix it on PC only! It doesn't matter in what order you go about the rest of the quest, this fix should work whenever the Legion Solider bug appears. Just close conversation with the legate and allow him to walk away. Loot Eltrys (he has a substantial amount of gold that he was going to pay you, before the guards killed him). Now, attack a guard and immediatley sheathe your weapon to allow the guard to stop you, then choose the jail option (the guards don't always stop attacking, so if not, run into the street and allow another guard to stop you). You'll be taken to Cidnha mine but this isn't enough; The Forsworn Conspiracy hasn't been completed. So, before the Orc prison guard has chance to talk to you in the mine, open up the console and type "setstage MS01 100" without the quotes. This will complete The Forsworn Conspiracy and immediatley start Noone Escapes Cidnha Mine. Enjoy :) — Unsigned comment by 90.220.68.169 (talk) at 01:01 on 6 April 2012

Im on Ps3 and I've tried to start again from before I walk into Nepos house. The same bug happened, where the legate was present and said "Wait...I know you" and did th classicle "I'll arrest you, unless you pay me 475 gold" business. I even tried to raise Eltrys as a zombie but that just turned him into a ple of ash and the guards took no notice of anything. I punched the guards several times so they could arrrest me and they did, leading to me losing all my stolen goods (which was a lot of things, could this affect it?) and got the shiv ready, but couldnt give it to anyone nor use it, so I did my time and came out with my bounty gone and my non-stolen belongings returned, just like a normal jail, and the quest arrow still hadn't moved from the shrine of Talos. Please help? Remember this is Ps3 with the latest update. Thank you. — Unsigned comment by 83.52.152.205 (talk) at 10:09 on 31 May 2012
I ran into this on 360 just now and managed to work around it. The Legate had no interest in arresting me, just stood there and talked about the Legion, so I went outside, FusRohDahed a random guard, then paid him off to not arrest me. Went back into the Shrine of Talos and the Legate's quest dialogue started up as I approached him down the stairs. — Unsigned comment by 69.108.99.97 (talk) at 03:02 on 15 January 2013
I reloaded from an earlier save and completed Thonar's objective and then returned to the shrine of Talos without talking to Nepos. There was a guard there to arrest me and not the imperial soldier this time. For some reason, by completing both the Nepos and Thonar objectives, the imperial soldier appears instead of the guard who arrests you. I was able to continue the quests without incident. 76.0.218.197 18:35, 9 July 2013 (GMT)ArgonianDragon (XBOX 360)

[edit] PC Bug - Game Freeze

When on the final objective - in the shrine of talos where you're supposed to meet up with Eltrys - I enter the temple only to find him dead and the three guards wanting to pin the murders on me and arrest me. When I try to surrender, and the dialogue about how no one escapes from Cidhna Mine the game freezes at the end of "No one." Using the console command "setstage ms01 100" but the game freezes after the quest completed text disappears. Killing the three guards then trying to get arrested after also doesn't seem to work. — Unsigned comment by 118.100.251.26 (talk) at 11:25 on 9 April 2012

[edit] moved from page

"If you complete the negotiations between the Empire and the Stormcloaks and you choose to give Markarth to the Stormcloaks, you will not be able to complete this quest if you began it but did not meet with Eltrys. Upon entering the Shrine of Talos, you will find Eltrys dead, but the guards will not arrest you for the murder. If you choose to go to jail, you will not be able to gain entrance to the King in Rags' cell to continue the quest."

This last bit is false. I gave Markarth to the storm cloaks AFTER having started this quest but before meeting in the Shrine. I was still able to complete the quest. --19:40, 16 April 2012 75.57.152.65
on xbox i gave stormcloaks markarth without ever having been there and quest triggered normally. (Dawnguard and 1.7patch) Lord Eydvar Talk | Contribs 20:53, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
I gave the stormcloaks Markarth before I met Eltrys for the last time, and before I went to nespos' house. The quest completed, but no new quest, no guards in the temple, nothing. Going to jail sent me to the mine, but with none of the options (Key on the beast, conversation optins) On xbox with latest patch, no add ons. 70.77.241.32 04:36, 8 March 2013 (GMT)
I can confirm on the PC edition you can start the quest and then give Markarth to the Stormclocks and still complete the quest with no issues.--Ray The Great 21:29, 10 August 2013 (GMT)

[edit] easy nepos and company kill

An easy way to defeatel nepos and everyone else in the house is to run outside after talking to Nepos. They will then all spawn in front of you, letting you fus ro dah them off the parapets into the market below. Have tested this multiple times. 98.166.134.138 18:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Mulush Speech Challenge

I reversed the deleting about Mulush ; it's about the quest, you ask him where you can find Weylin's key and it gives you a free speech point (which can't be aquired after u completed the quest). Sorry for my bad english — Unsigned comment by 88.167.54.80 (talk) at 20:03 on 5 May 2012

[edit] Gaurds Bug - Dialogue Freeze/Loop

okay so i have experinced a bug here when the gaurds seek to arrest you and take you to the mine the game freezes after the guad is done talking very annoying 360 version — Unsigned comment by 72.200.207.187 (talk) at 03:36 on 9 May 2012

There is a bug on the PS3 similar to this, except the guard's arrest dialogue loops. I keep trying to surrender, and once they tell me no one ever leaves the mine I am given the option to ask what the problem is, thus repeating the options about my arrest. If you tell the guards you would rather die and you haven't already got your weapon drawn, you won't be able to draw it. — Unsigned comment by 79.97.147.83 (talk) at 20:55 on 10 May 2012

[edit] Bug? - Guards still there after completion

for some reason the gaurds are still in the shrine even after i completed the quest and completed no one escapes from cidna mine. they also try to arrest me. this a bug or something? — Unsigned comment by 66.82.162.42 (talk) at 00:43 on 14 May 2012

Yeah, that can happen if you didn't immediately agree to surrender. That's supposed to have been fixed by Patch 1.5 though... ThuumofReason 00:48, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Xbox 360 Bug - Guard attacking during other guard dialogue

Did everything prior to reentering the Shrine and then talking to guard like normal. When in the conversation with the guard it can lead to another guard attacking DURING the conversation. Haven't picked a side in the civil war on this save.

No idea why this is happening, but when trying to "surrender" to the guard that initiated the conversation in regards to the conspiracy will make that option stay on the screen. When exiting from it will make the guards act like a crime has been committed. Eventually the black screen will be triggered to teleport to Cidnha Mine but unsure if it will have ramifications on later stages of the quest or even afterwards. — Unsigned comment by -Sean- (talkcontribs) at 23:20 on 18 June 2012

Edit-
After reloading a save while in Nepos' house but before I killed him I was able to avoid the bug. I avoided using the same spells that I used last time (Conjure Dremora, Fire Storm, Blizzard) and just killed him normally; I also let the dialogue play out and didn't skip any of it, but when I went into the Shrine I did not see any bug. Hope that helps anyone. -Sean- 23:32, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

[edit] bug - sent to Cidhna after completing quest

I was playing after I escaped went back to the shrine of talos and the guards repeated their dialog and I was sent back to chidna mine even though I had already completed the quest — Unsigned comment by 71.29.245.120 (talk) at 00:05 on 22 July 2012

This sounds the same as the question addressed 2 topics above (this section). --XyzzyTalk 06:04, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Im on the PS3 version.. and after id been at eltirs ther wer three guards but i said i rather die than go to jail.... so i took the run but i cant pick up my weapons anymore an son cant i speak to people or go into houses.. so i cant actully dont do nothing.. sombody has a anser to this?— Unsigned comment by 89.23.237.139 (talk) at 17:29 on 20 August 2012
This sounds like a pretty seriously glitched savegame. Your only solution may be to reload a previous save. --XyzzyTalk 04:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

[edit] PS3 bug - Eltrys already dead

Okay, so after killing the forsworn in the marketplace and receiving the quest from Eltrys to meet him in the shrine of talos, I decided to skip it for the time being (note: I already knew what the quest was about and didn't feel like going into the mines just yet). After 30+ hours of gameplay later, I decided to go back and finally do the quest, however, upon arriving at the shrine to meet Eltrys, I find him already dead and the three guards there. I haven't even done anything (haven't gotten any of the journals nor killed nepo) and they're already taking me to the mines. It's like I skipped the entire quest. — Unsigned comment by 69.235.130.124 (talk) at 00:56 on 31 August 2012

this happened to me as well on the PC, this is caused by pickpocketing Thonar's journal before heading to the shrine (I didn't know he was part of the quest and I pick pocket everyone... I can't help myself). I have made a note in the walk through. i know it is in the bug section, but I think a note inline makes more sense. 98.196.226.75 04:49, 12 December 2013 (GMT)

[edit] bug - can't complete quest

Well when I first started playing I tried doing this quest and didn't know that I had to go to jail to complete it. So that was about a couple months ago and I already gave markarth to the stormcloaks and then won it back in the war ans I went in to try and finish it and it wouldn't let me I also tried killing the 2 guards and legate and it still doesn't work even after I pickpocketed him and was sent to jail. — Unsigned comment by 98.28.71.0 (talk) at 20:40 on 3 September 2012‎

[edit] Yes you can save Betrid Silver-Blood

By not initializing dialogue with Thonar Silver-blood, but picking pocket his journal instead. Neither Nana or the other male cleaner became hostile and nothing happened. - Fireanddream (talk) 23:09, 2 October 2012 (GMT)

Never mind, didn't read carefully. Fireanddream (talk) 23:11, 2 October 2012 (GMT)

[edit] *Bug*I refused arrest once,now can't be arrested

I went into the Shrine of Talos and the three guards were there like normal.I then refused arrest,ran away for a long time,came back and tried to get the guards to take me to jail,but after they say "You will rot in Cidnah Mine for the rest of your days."I can only ask something like this after the tell me I will rot,"What seems to be the problem?"I tried doing this for 5 minutes,gave up and exited the dialogue,and was then attacked.I have this for the Xbox 360,not the PC.Alduin,Bane of Kings (talk) 20:22, 21 April 2013 (GMT)

[edit] Interesting bug

I was playing this quest simultaneously with Compelling Tribute (in the Stormcloak Civil War questline), and had completed the Thonar/Margret side of this quest (saved Margret, talked to Thonar, saw Betrid get killed) when I went to talk to Eltrys. At the end of the conversation with the guards when I was about to be sent to Cidhna Mine, the game froze (on XBox). Nothing could be done about it.

However completing Compelling Tribute (without returning to the Shrine of Talos) and the Battle for Fort Snowhawk and then fast-traveling away from the Reach marked this quest as complete (with the usual text stating that I'd been framed for killing Eltrys) but didn't give me a bounty in the Reach. I didn't return to the Reach for more than 30 days ingame. The next time I was there, I tried committing a crime and getting sent to Cidhna, but I just got the regular Cidhna (although still full of Forsworn) and was allowed to serve my time to get out, no life sentence.

This is on the current patch, 1.8. --Morrolan (talk) 03:57, 1 January 2013 (GMT)

[edit] Missing Betrid bug

Out of curiosity and the kindness of my heart, I killed Nana Ildene and Donnel in cold blood before talking to Thonar (and then ran away from the guards because I'd forgotten to drop my stolen goods before openly doing something illegal!). I returned after dealing with my bounty to find Thonar no longer at home - I eventually found him at the stables. The quest dialog triggered as normal. After the first half of my conversation with him, which usually triggers the murder, nothing happened. I spoke to him again and got the line about them having killed his wife, and the conversation proceeded normally.

When I returned to the Treasury House, Betrid was mysteriously missing, and I've been unable to locate her about town.

Then again, maybe this isn't a bug, and some other Forsworn just broke into the house and murdered her before carting away her body, while I was busy avoiding guards. — Unsigned comment by Iesika (talkcontribs) at 07:32 on 15 June 2013‎

It sounds like an oversight by the devs. I guess they didn't account for players slaughtering NPCs out of hand when they wrote the scripts for this quest. I wouldn't consider it a bug, however, since you intentionally deviated from the normal quest progression. We really can't document every possible way that a quest could go wrong when we intentionally mess with it. --Xyzzy Talk 14:56, 15 June 2013 (GMT)

[edit] First entry into Markarth

The opening scene of the quest plays as soon as the door opens into the markets (7.00 p.m in this case)

One has to be quick with Weylin, as stated, or (in my game) he kills Margret with one hit. A console_resurrect was performed on Margret before talking to anyone else, and the quest continues as if I saved her.

On another save-game load, I hit Weylin immediately, no bounty, but that, unfortunately, counts as an assault. Lmstearn (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2013 (GMT)

[edit] Shivs & Skooma

If, at first Borkul the Beast is persuaded to give the gate key to the Dragonborn, subsequently locating skooma for Grisvar the Unlucky and receiving his reward of a shiv will get screen updates, but no journal updates. (Lmstearn (talk) 12:41, 30 October 2013 (GMT))

[edit] Bug - Vilkas follower AI is overwritten by guard script

So. I have Vilkas as follower. Partway through the quest, he stopped following me. When I arrived back at the temple to finish the quest, he was one of the guards waiting for me. Okay, he's part of the guard faction, so that's understandable. What doesn't make sense is that after escaping from the mine, he's still waiting the Temple of Talos, crossing his arms. He still has all his regular dialogue, but he won't be moved - enabling and disabling does nothing, ResetAI command does nothing, dismissing him and asking him to follow again does nothing, and neither does blasting him across the room with unrelenting force. Any action that forces him to move from his post simply causes him to walk back to the same spot, cross his arms, and simply stand there - even when I use the console to teleport him to Whiterun, he'll just walk all the way back to the temple, even ignoring dragon attacks on the way. --112.119.47.41 10:04, 8 February 2014 (GMT)

"Followers may get permanently stuck in the Shrine of Talos, regardless of if the quest is completed and you escaped from Cidhna Mine. If this happens, the follower will not leave even after you tell them to go home, and if they are moved elsewhere via console, they will walk back to the Shrine of Talos, no matter where in Skyrim they are." This existing bug seems to cover what you are experiencing, just without the specific guard imitation behavior. Unfortunately, there isn't any fix listed. There may be other relevant codes that you could try, but I can't think of any others off-hand. If you do discover a fix, please let us know so it can be added to the article. Good Luck! --Xyzzy Talk 13:32, 8 February 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Losing the brawl - moved from article

Losing brawl or fight is disrupted causes you to not be able to find out who "N" is. simply reloading from last save seems to fix this.

Moving this from the article for verification. There are so many shortcuts to this quest that there might be one for this as well. Even if there isn't, I don't know that it would be considered a bug. I mean, who actually LOSES a brawl? ;) --Xyzzy Talk 15:16, 6 March 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Finding evidence about Thornar

I stole his journal and ran straight out of the Treasury House, avoiding the fight. Should this be added onto the page?

[edit] Guard Doesn't Do Anything

On my 360, I started The Forsworn Conspiracy, and everything went fine. Except I hadn't done the main quest yet, and therefore hadn't chosen a side. When I went to finish that part of the quest and start No One Escapes Cidhna Mine, the guard ran up to me, as though he were going to try to arrest me, but instead, just said one of the generic guard phrases that they say when you pass by them. He does this every single time that I try to talk to him. Will it fix itself if I chose a side, or do I have to create a completely new save? — Unsigned comment by 174.45.233.238 (talk) at 18:30 on 12 June 2014‎

Try committing a crime right in front of the guard or attacking him then yielding (sheathe your weapons). See if that fixes the issue. If it works, it'll obviously get you arrested, but it should correct the behaviour. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:47, 12 June 2014 (GMT)

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