Skyrim talk:The Holds of Skyrim

Falkreath

Nothing on Falkreath? 24.26.218.110 19:58, 19 January 2012 (UTC) jpickle — Unsigned comment by 24.26.218.110 (talk) at 19:58 on 19 January 2012

The text of the book is taken directly from the game. The discrepancy has now been noted at the top of the page. – Robin Hood↝talk 03:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I think Falkreath was once part of Cyrodil — Unsigned comment by 94.9.177.164 (talk) at 19:58 on 9 July 2013‎

Yes it was, I assume the book was written before that change. I would change it but I'm not sure how to edit notes. 24.12.88.107 01:48, 7 August 2013 (GMT)

Considering that the book mentions people like Ulfric Stormcloak and General Tullius, it was clearly written during the Civil War. Falkreath wasn't considered to be a part of Cyrodill at the start of the fourth era, so it's definitely not a reason change. As such, no change is needed. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 02:16, 7 August 2013 (GMT)

Obviously the book has been written from a imperial perspective: Welcome, loyal officer of the Empire...; Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak rules... ....he and his followers should be considered your most serious threat...; As an Imperial soldier, you will find few friends here..., etc. Until Tiber Septim aka Hjalti. Falkreath was the northernmost colovian kingdom and her ruler... had a clearly breton name: Cuhlecain. The history of Falkreath and the rest of Colovia is really complex and some sources state the influence of the bretons in the new "imperial" culture under Reman I. I think that Colovia is not simply the aboriginal nedic and nord mix, but the bretons have a great breton or "western nedic" influx in them, but in any case: Falkreath was only "part of Skyrim" for 600 (after last Remans) of 4.450 years... So is comprehensible that "real cyrodiilics" (not Tiber Septim for example that was breton or nord) don't accept the Falkreath is Skyrim consideration.

New: I just read the Orcs of Skyrim, that someone uses to justify the next idea in Falkreath page: In the middle Second Era, it was a part of the kingdom of Western Skyrim. Well... another TESO lore destruction... Horrible online-lazy-"whatever dude, the explosions are cool"-thing... Because is a well stablished knowledge, with different sources, that Falkreath was Northern Colovia/Western Cyrodiil until Tiber septim, now the marvelous TESO-books guys include another inconsistence, because the imperials/colovians are not even mentioned! for this reason is a clear inconsistence, not for the simply nord dominion, but because the historic change is not justified, only because this guys only known the "skyrim lore" and very superficially, and you know "in Skyrim Falkreath is the Southern Hold"... --Illo (talk) 05:39, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

(←) Though you are technically committing a necropost here, I guess your angel on this makes the topic relevant enough to be context for it, though I would not have done it.

Just because you have found a few fragments, you do not have the full picture of Falkreath history. The history of Tamriel is still full of holes to be filled in to create wonderful game and fiction experiences for us, the players (and readers), to enjoy.

Besides, you are being unnecessarily judgemental and right out disrespectful to the developers of the game by your choice of words. It is Bethesda's games, and they are free to fill in with new in-game facts whether you like them or not. If you want to discuss parts the games, I suggest you keep it to yourself when you participate on this wiki. The forums are the right place for such discussions. —MortenOSlash (talk) 20:48, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Yeah,I was been "judgemental and right out disrespectful to the developers". I was angry, because is not the only incoherence that i meet in the online lore. And because I think was not a "conscious decision" by the developers too. You are right, I must go to another place to express personal opinions out the articles itselfs, but my primary focus is the disccussion and edit of specific, concrete articles.

So, as this is a wiki and not a forum (and I need to control my own personality and culture -because I'm from the "speak-with-the-hands-and-loudly-discuss-with-passion-every-little-thing" places, you know-) I think is by far more appropiate, to work in the creation of accurate content, and provide critical information to readers of the UESP even in those controversial themes. For example: I (we) could make a detailed list of the contradictions in the TES LORE(some are possibly real world mistakes, little incoherences that exist in our societies too, another... not), without adding another subjetive valorations and in this list or table include sections by game. Could I?

In any case is not a priority for me (I like to add first a ton of statistical information, maps, etc.). Is simply question of character and lack of custom in self-control.

If you are a librarian or something similar I hope not give you a lot of work. --Illo (talk) 16:02, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

This topic is (now) unrelated to the content of the article, and more suited to the forums. Please feel free to continue the discussion there. This topic is now closed.

Location

Hello, I just wanted to suggest a new location to the list. I found this book in Dead man's drink, Falkreath. After you enter the building, it's in the far right corner, laid on a barrel. FOE SVK (talk) 17:19, 29 July 2013 (GMT)

I've verified this is a guaranteed location and added it to the page. Thanks for the info. :) — ABCface^◥ 21:31, 31 July 2013 (GMT)