Lore talk:Ayleids

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[edit] Confirmation?

Modern day ayleids now live in primitive tribal groups deep within the forests of Cyrodill. It is not known if they retained any of the knowlage they once had before being forced into the primitive state by men.

Can anyone confirm this statement that was added to the article? It's not lore that I'm familiar with, and it's not really consistent with anything that happens during Oblivion. --Nephele 02:50, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

I believe that this information comes from a book that was seen in Morrowind or perhaps as early as Daggerfall. For whatever reason, Bethesda chose not to include Ayleid natives in the wild when they made Oblivion. Perhaps the book was intended to be written a long time ago, and is no longer completely accurate? Or maybe they just forgot about it or something. I know I've read that somewhere, though. Might be worth noting that it's not actually the case, and that you won't meet any living Ayleids anywhere in Oblivion. (With the exception of a few mod-specific single characters.) --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 09:27, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Hmm... I just searched through all the books in the Tamriel section for mentions of Ayleids, and found relevant references in a couple books:

• The Wild Elves
• 2920, Second Seed (v5) (in the entry for 31 Second Seed)

So it seems like at least through the early second era there were reports of Ayleids continuing to live in the forests of Cyrodiil, generally keeping out of sight. Although Wild Elves says that they are less "urbanized", to me that doesn't equate to "primitive" or somehow less civilized and/or knowledgeable than they were previously. It seems likely that their magical capabilities have remained just as powerful, which is how they have been able to remain hidden (consistent with the account in Daughter of the Niben).

It's also possible that in 1000 years since the last reports of Ayleids in Cyrodiil that they've died off. Or they've just become even better at hiding themselves. Either would be consistent with them not appearing at all during Oblivion. --Nephele 15:42, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

And either way, it is very stupid to remove all mention of them living past their glory days, especilly since one of their names are "wild elves". I ahrdly think "wild" makes reference to them when they were civilized, so it can only refer to their current sate: Wild and primitive.--68.192.188.142 22:12, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

As I said above, "wild" does not automatically mean "primitive" or "uncivilized." I therefore rewrote the paragraph to remove those biases. --Nephele^Talk 22:26, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Still, wild most defeinitly does not mean that they ruled a vast empire, and it is clear it reffers to them living in the forests.--68.192.188.142 19:19, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

[edit] OMG childish vandalism

Why is half the page gone and all the links with it? Did someone delete them all? A hacker?^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Umbacano (talk • contribs).}

I'm not sure what you mean. There haven't been any major changes to this article in quite some time, and none at all that indicate missing sections or links. Maybe you're thinking of a different article? –Eshe^talk16:06, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Are you thinking maybe of Ayleid Language? --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 16:47, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Actually, my guess is that you're thinking of Oblivion:Ayleids. I've now added a link to this article to make it clear that there is a game-specific version. --Nephele^Talk 16:50, 27 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] The Ayleids fascination with Eagles and/or other raptors

I've already posted this to the Oblivion Ayleid page and thought I'd make a quick posting here as well. More posts = more chance for response, yes?

I'm not sure this is the right place or if it's already come to light, but I'll chance it. I've noticed that almost every piece of the Ayleid-made armour/weaponry has some sort of design relating to eagles or other raptor (bird-of-prey, not dinosaur) either through feathers or the profile of a head. Also, isn't the statue seen in many ruins a raptor-headed statue? Just throwing ideas out there. Davehoekst 19:08, 20 July 2008 (EDT)