Lore talk:Daedric Alphabet

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Contents 1 Deleted Text 2 Bible of the Deep Ones 3 Daedric on word 4 Calligraphic Perspective 5 Morrowind box 6 PHONEMES please 7 Yahkem 8 Gallery of examples 9 X

[edit] Deleted Text

I've deleted this text added to the main page (in Other Examples, when discussing the Mages Guild seal):

(This is due to the fact that Restoration is not one of the major skills needed to advance in rank in games like Morrowind ~ Dunmer Scout)

Besides that fact that is signed (all contributions on articles, not talk pages, should not be signed), it's not clear to me that this is correct. Restoration is exactly like every other magical skill in Oblivion: if you choose it to be one of your major skills, then it does determine when you increase in level. I can't say that I fully know what this comment is trying to claim, but I'm quite sure that it doesn't give any explanation why Restoration is any less of a magical skill than the other five in Oblivion (which is the source of this particular seal). --Nephele 11:42, 7 January 2007 (EST)

No, what I believe he meant, was that Restoration was not one of the skills needed to advance in rank in the Mages Guild in TESIII. I can't recall what the skills for the MG were in TESIV, but my point remains.68.23.8.253 21:52, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

In Oblivion, there weren't any; you simply needed to complete the quests.--220.157.84.55 08:53, 25 June 2007 (EDT)

• On an entirely different issue, I was unable to successfully install the Daedric font onto my Windows XP system. I located the TTF file under Windows/Fonts, but it does not appear in the font selection of any application. What else do I need to do, to actually add the font into my system? Is a reboot needed? If further steps are required, those must also be described in the installing instructions! Finally, when I print the page, the daedric (PNG) letters still print as black on black, ie. unreadable! --FMan 16:24, 7 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Bible of the Deep Ones

Yes, the Bible of the Deep Ones is displayed in game using Daedric lettering. Although the transliterated text (i.e., the text that can be accessed from the construction set) includes multiple X characters, all the X's are omitted in the displayed text.

"font face=4" is used to change text into Daedric. Searching through the Oblivion texts, the other cases I can find (excluding test books) are:

• The signatures of two notes signed by Erandur (in Lost Boy Cavern)
• One word in the title of each of volume of the Mythic Dawn Commentaries

--Nephele 00:34, 1 March 2007 (EST)

[edit] Daedric on word

IS there any way to get daedric on word, i would just think it would be cool

Yes. Download the font from the main page and install it. A font called Daedric will then be available on any application that allows you to pick a typeface, including Word. --Rpeh^Talk 07:59, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Calligraphic Perspective

Given the large number of quills, ink bottles and parchment found in Oblivion, I'm willing to hazard a guess that those are the things they use to write the Daedric alphabet. Using similar flat nibbed pens, ink and paper and having some experience in calligraphy, one can reasonably conclude the following.

1. The alphabet is one in which the letters are formed by strokes being hung down from a thin horizontal stroke or base line. The alphabet is in that respect the opposite of the Roman one in which letters rest on a floor and are built upwards.

2. The major hanging strokes can be hung at the beginning, middle or end of the base line which is scribed from left to right.

3. There are three major hanging strokes: straight, "D" curved, and "C" curved.

4. As with any alphabet, as it is written more quickly, certain letters can be less well formed and confusion can arise. This accounts for the dot in the form for the letter "U" to distinguish it from the form for the letter "B". Likewise, for the dot in the form for the letter "O" to distinguish it from the form for the letter "V".

5. Daedric appears to have no minuscules (lower case) or ligatures.

6. The letters containing the "D" curve hung from the end of the base line include the forms for the letters "D", "G", "K", "M", "O", "U", "V" and "W".

7. The letters containing the "D" curve hung from the beginning of the base line include the forms for the letters "B", "H", "N" and "L".

8. Only the letters "A" and "K" demonstrate the "C" curve hung from the beginning of the base line.

9. The letters with the "C" curve hung from the end of the base line might also be referred to as having a form not unlike the numeral "7". They include the forms for "F", "P", "R" and "Q" with that for "R" being slightly tilted rightward.

10. The letters with the straight down stroke hung from the beginning of the base line include the forms for "M", "C", "D" and "J".

11. Finally, there are (as in all alphabets) those more difficult to categorize. The forms for "Z", "E", "S", "T" and "Y". The form for "T" is the only one that demonstrates a reflex ascending stroke above the base line while the form for "W" has the base line terminated by a short down stroke that also ascends above the base line. The forms for "T" and "Y" are the only ones with an independent terminating stroke at the bottom as opposed to the serifs in the forms for "L" and "J".

This analysis leads one to the conclusion that perhaps the best form the the letter Xayah would consist of the base line with a "D" curve hung at the beginning and a "C" curve hung at the end, which is just the reverse order of the letter form for "V" and would approximate a curvy "X" with the base line acting as a cap.

[edit] Morrowind box

The blocks of runes on the Morrowind box are the names of the 6 Great Houses. They are (clockwise from top): Dres, Indoril, Telvanni (shortened to Telvan), Dagoth, Hlaalu, and Redoran. The runes on the Bonemold armor read: [unknown]oh. The first symbol, I couldn't find in the translator or anywhere. That should probably be added to the article. Maximus Bane83 12:22, 27 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] PHONEMES please

I understand that this alphabet is simply a calligraphic alternative to the Latin alphabet (either French, Germanic, Italian or Spanish - note: English is a Germanic language): it would be very hard for Bethesda to "invent" a new language, as hiring gurus like Tolkien or Chomsky would have not been very cost effective. However, I was wondering if it would be possible to associate phonemes, so that a word would sound like another language although it is actually in English. My need for this: English to Daedra alphabet to phonemes to English alphabet, so that I could make some Daedra texts, references, even dialogs that would be pronounced and/or read using an English alphabet. I know that this can feasible, but does it exists? --HawkFest 01:11, 29 February 2008 (EST)

• Not to mention that Tolkien had been dead for years by the time Morrowind came about. --  Adorlin  ►  08:32, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

As it was said in The Imperial Library, the writings in this script should be pronounced as if the letters were Latin and the writing was in English. For example, the word "Doht-Oht-Geth" means "dog" and not "dohtohtgeht". However, since I often do what I'm said not to, I created a program a while ago that encodes text in that exactly fashion, producing something like 'daedra writing'. It's available on TESNexus. Hope you have fun.
Arilita 10:18, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Yahkem

If you read the article it soundl like the letter Yahkem is accidently ingame on the Tel Fyr banner, but if you look at the banners in Vivec (those hanging under the bridges between the districts) you'll find plenty of Yahkems there (eg. in you). I think this should be mentioned in the article. --91.66.137.60 10:25, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Gallery of examples

I have a picture of the "Wellcome sign" outside balmora, written with Daedric letters, could someone give me some info about what they think and, maybe a little help with the upploading part:

1. how do I get a picture to a picture page?

2. On my computer I can't use (:) in the pictures original name, is that a bad thing when uploading a picture, or is that fixed when the picture is added to the pages? -Goblin lair 12:00, 16 August 2008

wait... I figured it out. -Goblin lair 10:21, 17 August 2008

[edit] X

The letter Xayah has yet to be spotted in any game, although it is believed to look like the letter shown in the above table. How do you know what it looks like if it doesn't appear anywhere?--Veloth 21:51, 25 August 2008 (EDT)