Lore talk:House Telvanni

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Does Great House Telvanni really want to have a monopoly on magic? I seem to recall a quest for them where you're supposed to convince Redoran to get rid of the monopoly the Mages Guild had. Granted, I know that it can be a political move in the hopes of having a monopoly to themselves, but it seems the Mages Guild wants it more than Telvanni does. Furthermore, the Mages Guild seems intent on keeping it. - Organous 19:00, 3 November 2006 (EST)

Knowing the Telvanni, the only time they really respect others is when they need the others to give them something. I'd say they definitely want a monoploy on magic, and probably on power as well. --Ratwar 19:02, 3 November 2006 (EST)

I don't think that's the case. The Telvanni do not seem so interested in global/political power as they are personal power. The central theme behind them seems to be "leave us alone, and if you've got something I want, give it to me." It seems that the Telvanni want individual power and physical possessions (books, artifacts, etc.), not so much about control. Come to think of it, the Telvanni don't even show respect when they want something. They just up and take it. Organous 23:05, 3 November 2006 (EST)

Ahh, but to achieve great personal power, you must achieve both global and political power. In fact, the Telvanni are deploying bands of colonists to slowly expaned their power (ask people about latest rumors, especially in Molag Mar). You are very correct that personal power is highly prized by the Telvanni, but Personal Power can be increased by global and political power. The Telvanni realize this, and while they choose not to focus on political power (which is Hlaalu's area), expansion is on their mind. Master Aryon is the leader of this movement. --Ratwar 23:26, 3 November 2006 (EST)

In the first place, the latest rumors you refer to lead me to a group of pilgrims east of Lake Nabia and northwest of Mount Kand. I eventually found what it was talking about, but only after looking at the official guide. I wouldn't have even known they were Telvanni if it didn't say so right there, and it says they're rogue Telvanni at that. That doesn't sound like they were deployed. -- Organous 14:06, 5 November 2006, edited 14:55, 5 November 2006 (EST)

Now, as for their monopoly thing, I think that's reaching for straws. Any group is always going to try expanding. I'm hesitant to really count the quests where you kill the owners of opposing strongholds, since it's just something the player experiences in all 3 houses the same way. I think Telvanni might be pleased if they had a monopoly, but only as far as anyone with something to market would be. The Mages Guild seems far more interested in maintaining their monopoly than Telvanni is in gaining one.

I have not seen any evidence to suggest Telvanni wants a monopoly. The evidence you have shown so far seems to be based on interpretation, philosophy (which, though perhaps true, doesn't seem to be shared by Telvanni), and/or facts I have not been able to verify. My point is that it really doesn't seem to me like they want it, which means the entry should be changed to reflect this. Since you feel so strongly that they do, though, something along the lines of "they may have an interest" would work just as well. It shows that they could be interested in having a magic monopoly, but does not suggest strong evidence. -- Organous 14:06, 5 November 2006 (EST)

Well, I don't see Redoran attempting to expand, but I do see your point about any group attempting to expand. I really don't understand how you can say that the Telvanni don't want the Mages Guild out of Morrowind (and thus have a monoploy on magical power in Morrowind). They are strongly anti-foreigner as their requirement for a special pass for foreigners to enter Sadrith Mora, even if this policy isn't enforced. Since the Mage's Guild is Imperial, they naturally want them out of Morrowind. As for saying, "they may have an interest", the article already says, "would rather", which doesn't mean they are activily seeking such a monoploy. --Ratwar 15:03, 5 November 2006 (EST)

What characterizes the Telvanni leaders is their individuality and eccentricity. I seem to recall that Telvanni Mages take issue with common people having access to any higher magic. Knowledge is power, and knowledge is not to be shared. Master Aryon is the most liberal of the group and it is he who sets the task to break the Mages Guild monopoly, there doesn't seem to be any general mandate to do so. In regards to Tevanni being an expansionist faction, again it seems there is no common strategy to do so. If you consider that most Mage Lords are many centuries old and not about to give up their positions, it is not surprising that up-and-coming Telvanni seek remote towers to claim their own. Even the stronghold's Tel Uvirith position speaks for this. There just isn't much of a succession of power. -Benould^•T•C 03:01, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

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