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  • Vandalism — An archive of discussions regarding vandalism and spam.

[edit] New Category Request: Skyrim-Items-Permanent Items

Maybe items described on Skyrim:Permanent_And_Persistent_Items should have their own category? Because list is becoming clumsy. But I do not know what is the procedure for creating one. Sergio Morozov (talk) 15:56, 4 March 2014 (GMT)

I think the list on the page works better, at least for now. Not every item in that list has its own page, so not all of them could be categorised properly. Thus the page is a necessity. --Nocte|Chat|Look 20:13, 4 March 2014 (GMT)
Then I'll just continue checking items and adding them there for now... Sergio Morozov (talk) 07:03, 5 March 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Abuse Filter Spammers

It's been a while since the Special:AbuseLog got cleared out of its most prolific spammers, so here's a list. These are the most prolific but include a couple that managed to beat the filter and named accounts. Some pages are repeatedly attempted to be spammed so it may be worthwhile protecting those page names from creation. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 16:35, 5 March 2014 (GMT)

I'll get to work on blocking these, then I'll take a look at what pages need protecting. Out of curiosity, how did you come up with this list? I've just pulled a similar list from the database, and it highlights a couple where I think range blocks will be a good choice, but I'll have to check if there are legitimate edits from those IPs first. Robin Hood  (talk) 20:32, 5 March 2014 (GMT)
Point and click. Click an ip link, click abuse log, look at list. Generally these ones would have hundreds of logs, though many are caught by more than one filter. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 20:38, 5 March 2014 (GMT)
That works. I've done all the ones above, except for those that may need range blocking. I've got about twenty more individual ones that I've identified from the database, so I'll do those, then remind myself how to do range blocks and do those as well. :) Robin Hood  (talk) 21:53, 5 March 2014 (GMT)
Okay, those are all done. Between the specific IPs and the range blocks, that's blocked the top 100 IP addresses coming from the AbuseFilter, along with any named users that had 10 or more attempted unwanted edits. Just to cover what all I did, for the record....
As a safety measure, all IPs (both single and range) were checked against the CheckUser logs in the database to confirm that there were no legitimate edits from those IPs/ranges. Similarly, I checked the contribution history of named users before blocking them so I didn't accidentally block any users (like Din) who might have triggered the abuse filter while attempting legitimate edits.
Finally, range blocks were kept as small as reasonably possible (/24) with the one exception being a highly prolific set of IPs from China that was responsible for nearly 5000 abuse filter hits in the last three months alone. I also limited the range blocks to only a year, instead of indefinite. Robin Hood  (talk) 22:49, 5 March 2014 (GMT)
Oh, I almost forgot about the second part. Pages with over 200 attempted abusive edits in the last three months are now semi-protected as well. Only one was actually a red link. A few I didn't protect, like the AN and a couple of talk pages, because there's good reason to assume a non-autoconfirmed user might want to post to those pages. Robin Hood  (talk) 02:04, 6 March 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Inappropriate ads

When I go to the wiki or forums on my android phone, I eventually get a pop up ad telling me my phone has been infected with a virus. It's very disconcerting and needs to stop. I believe it's "nexusads" or something like that. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 01:45, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

I'll take a look but without more information its going to be impossible to find the offending ad or network. Google AdSense takes care of all that behind the scenes so unless I have an exact URL or company name I can't do much. Especially difficult on mobile but you can try the "report ad" link if it works for you. -- Daveh (talk) 21:19, 17 March 2014 (GMT)
It's masquerading as a pop-up alert. Sorry, I've been trying to get it to pop up again to get an exact URL since I posted this, but it's a bit like the cartoon dancing frog in a box. I'll update when I can. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 04:28, 18 March 2014 (GMT)
The address I keep getting when I was checking this was ib.adnxs.com -- I got that specific address each time I loaded a page in a mobile browser without using the mobile version. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 23:34, 30 March 2014 (GMT)
A few ads came up matching this address which I blocked but let me know if anyone sees it again. -- Daveh (talk) 00:49, 31 March 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Speedy Deleting Redirects

It seems that either I'm confused or a lot of other people are, so I'd like to clarify and perhaps change our policy in regards to redirects. According to my understanding of our Deletion Policy, redirects should only be speedy deleted if they're the result of typos, what they link to doesn't exist, they're in Main space and recently created, or they're in File space. At least two different editors that I can think of, probably more, have recently nominated redirects for speedy deletion (most of them due to page moves, but not all) that don't qualify according to the rules listed.

Now, having said that, I think they should. The links were all taken care of, they show no external links, and the redirect left behind serves no real purpose other than the remote possibility that someone might try to access the page by its old name. To me, a redirect in this state is a trivial deletion unless the name of the page is so common that it can be reasonably expected that someone might try to enter that name in the search box and the new name is dissimilar enough to the old one that it wouldn't pop up in the inline search results. Right now, it's only considered to be trivial if it's in File space and we rename it according to specific rules, while other spaces are excluded altogether. Is there a reason we can't treat redirects much the same as general maintenance and simply speedy delete them as long as there's no reason to believe they should be kept? Robin Hood  (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

I'm probably one of those editors who speedied a non-file redirect. I support this completely. Jeancey (talk) 20:38, 17 March 2014 (GMT)
While I was hoping for a clearer consensus, in the absence of any objections, I'll update our policy on redirects sometime tomorrow and put it into effect for the existing redirects. Robin Hood  (talk) 03:41, 26 March 2014 (GMT)
And done. I kept the criteria wording very open to allow administrators to decide on a case-by-case basis. Robin Hood  (talk) 02:20, 27 March 2014 (GMT)

[edit] ESO for Admins and Editors

ESO's release is quickly approaching! Like past games I'm offering to purchase the game for admins and senior editors, i.e., basically anyone who is currently active with the wiki. It looks like I can only purchase the physical edition for other people so you'd prefer the digital editor, or have already bought the game, we can work out something to reimburse you the game's value. Once Zenimax Online reveals their monthly payment options I'll probably also offer to buy some monthly passes for people. If you'd like to be considered for this just e-mail me and we'll sort out the details. -- Daveh (talk) 13:01, 18 March 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Protection for Lore:Imperial Names

Twice within a few hours this page has been hit by bots. Can we just nip this at the bud right now and have an admin lock down the page for a brief while? -damon  talkcontribs 05:08, 22 March 2014 (GMT)

AKB removed the spam revisions and blocked the two IPs, but since the page hasn't been hit again, I don't think there's a need to protect right now. There also haven't been any other edits by anything in that IP range, either. If it happens again, though, re-post and we'll either range block the address or protect the page. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:23, 22 March 2014 (GMT)

[edit] TESO Temporary Policy Changes

With no sign of this discussion coming from those who have a better idea than me what needs done and when, I am here to start it.

(1) Limit Page Creation.
  • This is now policy so all that needs decided is when to start. I would hesitantly suggest that if additions keep up their pace then Lore, Main, and Skyrim, should be locked ahead of time.
  • Time period: Soonish - June 4th
(2) Ease Patrolling Guidelines.
  • As with any new release information will be hard to verify immediately. Spelling and grammar will not be a priority, so therefore if its not obvious or clear vandalism, please patrol and move on. Be careful to check anything that may have been already added by a bot (e.g. Summary Table Information) as that should be correct already.
  • Time period: April 4th - June 4th.
(3) Temporary Admins.
  • I just don't know if there is a need, so input is needed from those around for Skyrim. There are 4 active admins, AKB, Dwarfmp, Legoless, and Robin. There was about the same amount for Skyrim yet five were promoted. Below is a list of some patrollers listed by known ESO participation and activity (excuse any mistakes):
  • The four others I left off (with no offense intended) are Damon (not too active, not getting ESO afaik) (Don't want the position, thanks though. -damon  talkcontribs) , Holomay (not very active), Hargrimm (very recent promotion to patroller), Nocte Canticum (same as Hargrimm).
  • These are not nominations just a suggestion.

So, have fun debating. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 00:40, 23 March 2014 (GMT)

Unfortunately, I won't be getting ESO. Partially because I'm too busy, and partially because I want to hold out until it's free to play ($15 a month? Get real). I'm fine as a patroller; I don't think I have the requisite tech savvy for admin duties. Everyone else on the list are trustworthy contributors who I'm sure would be very fine temp admins. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 00:54, 23 March 2014 (GMT)
(edit conflict) I approve of all points, Silencer made, and in regards to administrators, I want to add this:
I am in fact active, and I will be through the release and onward, and while I won't have it for the first few months or so, I plan to eventually get ESO. That said, I am not interested in adminship, temporarily or otherwise. I'd do it if I had to, and I wouldn't mind, but under normal circumstances (these aren't necessarily 'normal', admittedly), I'd not vote for myself. I can perform the functions of an admin, but there's more to just pushing buttons, and adminship wouldn't necessarily be needed to perform my current functions
If I had to select some (I am of the opinion that 2 are needed at best with the current number we have), I'd give my vote to Jeancey and Alfwyn. Jeancey has a good idea of what's going on, is working heard on ESO's work, and he'd be a good person to turn users to who need help with the namespace work and others, and despite being here a year, is one of the top five editors all time (excluding bots). Alfwyn is effectively an admin having direct server access, so he's already trusted with more work than an admin typically has, and naturally, I'd support his adminship. -damon  talkcontribs 01:01, 23 March 2014 (GMT)
I wasn't nominating anyone cause thats all our active patrollers, and that wouldn't be all that wise. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 01:05, 23 March 2014 (GMT)
I never suggested anyone was in a nomination. I said if we nominated someone, I like those two for those reasons... And, that I didn't want to be on any lists. :) -damon  talkcontribs 01:08, 23 March 2014 (GMT)
Minor correction - we have at least 6 active admins, counting myself and Daveh. Yeah, I was out of it for a year, mostly because I was under NDA on the beta and didn't want to risk conflict of interest, but I'm back for the foreseeable future. Though being on the job market may cause some interruptions in my contribution. Also - why do you want to lock Skyrim and not Online? Or is that an error? — TheRealLurlock (talk) 01:40, 23 March 2014 (GMT)
I believe the idea is to lock the most recent game's namespace so people don't accidentally create Online pages in that namespace, though I think there is less of an issue with ESO than there would be with a new single player game. Jeancey (talk) 01:49, 23 March 2014 (GMT)

() To be up front with this, I had thought most of this was assumed to be happening. The page lock has been performed more than once, its standard practice now. As for the lowering of patrolling standards, that was also expected I had thought. Good and perfectly correct is less important than done as quickly as possible.

As for the temporary admins, which is the only real point of contention here, I am going to just say what we administrators had already considered (which we were already doing). For starters, all ESO admins will lose the rights once its over, even if they are just going to ask for them back afterwords. As for candidates, comments suggest we are most comfortable with Jeancey getting it, as well as Alfwyn and Jak (I would ask for Jak to be more active, however). As Alfwyn and Jak can most likely just make themselves admins anyway, there is little reason to not just give them the rights on a more official basis. As for Jeancey, he is a very talented and dedicated editor, and has worked impressively hard towards helping with ESO. It's worth remembering we have a much stronger administrative team right now, so I don't think we need as many hands for the moment. If it becomes too much of a burden, we can put some more forward in a hurry, but too few is better than too many right now. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 01:54, 23 March 2014 (GMT)

Did we lock Oblivion when Skyrim came out? I don't seem to recall anyone being too confused by that, they're clearly not the same game. Usually what happens is people create pages in Main that should be in the new game's namespace. That's the only one that really needs a creation lock I think. Also, it's likely that by the time the early-release period is over, most of the important pages will have been created already. (I assume that the item redirect pages will be mostly done by bots. Mainly it's things like places and NPCs that people are likely to create.) As for Admins, I agree with the 3 AKB listed. The others may be good as well, though I haven't been around lately to see how active they are. (I don't know Forfeit at all, he/she must be relatively new?) I don't mind having a few extra hands around, but there honestly haven't been that many Admin-only jobs that have needed doing lately. (Most of the deletions I've done lately have been due to my own mistakes, and I haven't seen much call for blocking lately, so the spam filters seem to be doing their job. Also, we have people with Blocker status that aren't Admins, so maybe we should do more of that if it becomes necessary.) — TheRealLurlock (talk) 02:52, 23 March 2014 (GMT)
Yes, we protected Oblivion and Lore when Skyrim came out. See here and the Status section at the bottom. Main space is permanently protected against page creation except by trusted users (autopatrolled, user patrollers, patrollers, and admins).
As for item redirects, I'll take a look at what Rpeh and Nephele did last time, but I'm probably going to need some direction on that. Since I'm not playing ESO, I have no frame of reference to make sense of what's in the uespLog files that Dave uploaded. But that can be taken up on my talk page or in IRC if anyone feels they have a good handle on the info and can provide me some clear instructions on what to do.
I agree that we probably don't need too many additional admins, and I agree with the people suggested. I'd rather wait and see if we need more than promote too many and have people not have a firm grasp of what they're doing because they don't have the chance to do it often enough. Robin Hood  (talk) 04:06, 23 March 2014 (GMT)
I pre-ordered ESO and will be playing it as soon as I can (5 days before launch), and subsequently will be active. I wouldn't mind being a temporary admin if I was asked to, but it would be best to rely on the admins we currently have. As was the case with Skyrim, many activities needed can be done without even owning the game. I suspect we won't have as big of a rush as Skyrim, but due to the sheer size of the game we'll likely see as many if not more page creations and edits.
As a side note, if we do lock page creation in some namespaces, we might want to create a notice for all page creations suggesting that they create the page in "Online" space, while providing a link to the correct article name (if possible). I'm pretty sure we have an extension that can do that, but I'm not familiar with it. • JAT 20:19, 25 March 2014 (GMT)
Page creation is now limited to those with the tboverride permission (see Special:UserGroupRights) in the following namespaces: Online, Skyrim, Dragonborn, and Lore. It looks like we had some issues with this the last time around, and Nephele implemented some custom coding changes, but we've updated the code since then and no longer have her changes active. I'm not entirely sure what the issue was, so I'd like to wait and see how things go on this front, then figure out what, if anything, needs to be done this time around. I'll review our namespace-specific page creation messages after I get back from walking the dog. Oh, and in case I've done anything wrong, the lockdown changes are at MediaWiki:Titleblacklist. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:10, 29 March 2014 (GMT)
As it turns out, most of the notices we would want to create have already been done. I added one that should reduce the number of clicks needed before users find out that they can't create a page, but apart from that, I think we have everything we need. If anyone notices somewhere where additional help text would be useful, please let me know, if you can't find/create it yourself. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:55, 29 March 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Temporary Administrative Rights for Alfwyn, Jak, and Jeancey

Considering the date, we need to decide on this sooner rather than later. I am fine with these three helping out the administration during this period. Once ESO related content has calmed down, the rights will be removed.

  • Support: As nominator --AKB Talk Cont Mail 01:10, 27 March 2014 (GMT)
  • Support (Alfwyn, Jeancey): Jeancey and Alfwyn have my immediate and unconditional support for adminship. They are hardworking and active users. Jeancey is definitely one of - if not the most - the most knowledgeable and active ESO editors, and Alfwyn, given his server access, is effectively an administrator, so why not finalise it? -damon  talkcontribs 01:40, 27 March 2014 (GMT)
Neutral (Jak): Jak Atackka, I am neutral for. While he also has server rights, he appears incredibly inactive, with only rare chirping in on random discussions. Since he's rather inactive (or appears so), I don't know how beneficial his adminship would necessarily be to the ESO launch at this present time.-damon  talkcontribs 01:40, 27 March 2014 (GMT)
  • Support: Yes to all three. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 01:46, 27 March 2014 (GMT)
  • Support: Sounds good. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 01:55, 27 March 2014 (GMT)
  • Support: Jak has said (somewhere...don't remember where) that he'll be more active, so I'm good with all three. Robin Hood  (talk) 02:05, 27 March 2014 (GMT)
  • Support: All hands on deck! -- Hargrimm(T) 02:45, 28 March 2014 (GMT)
  • Support: I've been mostly lurking on the wiki lately, but I don't think I've seen more than a few bad edits from any of these three editors in months. I know Jeancey will be good for this, and while I haven't looked at all the others' edits lately, I would trust them with it anyway, despite Jak's inactivity. Vely►t►e 02:47, 28 March 2014 (GMT)
  • Support: All three are good, intelligent choices. I'd like to say 'active', but Jak hasn't been around too much. Regardless, I'm pretty sure he'll be around more now so that doesn't change my vote at all. •WoahBro►talk 02:47, 28 March 2014 (GMT)
  • Support: Excellent choices. --Xyzzy Talk 04:37, 28 March 2014 (GMT)

The active community is unanimous and the editors in nomination haven't objected to their position, think we can Snowball this so that they have their buttons and a fast practice with them before the servers launch and new editors flood in? -damon  talkcontribs 05:08, 30 March 2014 (GMT)

Done -- May Stendarr have mercy on their souls...;) -- Daveh (talk) 10:23, 30 March 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Thumbnail Creation Error

I've noticed it on a few occasions, and have seen some conversation trying to clear up this issue, but a user just reported an issue with our thumbnail generation. While I do not have the technical know how to diagnose the issue myself, my looking for a solution from Mediawiki gave me little in the way of a fix. I did find their documentation on this sort of issue, but am unsure what their suggestions will exactly do. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 23:36, 30 March 2014 (GMT)

I fixed some yesterday with null edits. Try that. --AN|L (talk) 00:02, 31 March 2014 (GMT)
Just ran into this issue, tried what Anil said, and it worked; confirmed. •WoahBro►talk 01:10, 31 March 2014 (GMT)
I just tried something that may be related. Please post back here if the issue continues to crop up. Note that there may be some residual thumbnails where this has occurred and just needs fixing. The real test will be to see if there are any clearly new cases. Robin Hood  (talk) 01:43, 31 March 2014 (GMT)
We have another reporting on this problem. I'm sure additional reports aren't particularly helpful, as this one appears to add no more additional information than AKB's report, but there's definitely something up. -damon  talkcontribs 06:44, 31 March 2014 (GMT)
It's possible that was a "leftover". If not, I'm at a loss, as I see ImageMagick installed and the file present exactly where it should be on every server we have. I'll bring it to Dave's attention and hopefully he can figure out what the problem is. Robin Hood  (talk) 19:13, 31 March 2014 (GMT)
Three more have been spotted and fixed by me over the last two days (Skyrim:No Stone Unturned, Skyrim:Arniel's Endeavor, and Skyrim:Riften). I've been checking the page histories, and none of these pages have been edited since these started appearing, so hopefully these are just leftovers. Interestingly, they only seem to be found in the Skyrim namespace. --AN|L (talk) 15:37, 1 April 2014 (GMT)
I actually just found one on a Morrowind page. I'm not sure if it would still be a remnant from who knows when, but it was there. •WoahBro►talk 03:48, 2 April 2014 (GMT)
The Oblivion:Quest Items page seems to have the same problem. It was working earlier, then suddenly went all gray-boxy. It happened first when I clicked on a link for a specific item, http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Eye_of_Nocturnal#Eye_of_Nocturnal-- Musicman247 (talk) 17:33, 8 April 2014 (GMT)
Okay, I've found another possible source of the problem, so let's see how it goes. Again, there could be cases of leftovers, but if there's clearly a new case where this is happening (e.g., it was fine after I posted this and then became problematic afterwards) let me know. Robin Hood  (talk) 19:31, 8 April 2014 (GMT)
It's spread to the Main Page now. -- Musicman247 (talk) 01:18, 10 April 2014 (GMT)
Ok, the thumbnails work when I'm logged in, but they don't work when I'm not. -- Musicman247 (talk) 01:19, 10 April 2014 (GMT)
I purged the page. Didn't see anything logged in and it looked alright when I logged out. Is it fixed now?--AN|L (talk) 01:23, 10 April 2014 (GMT)
All bets are off when you're logged out. Data there can be several days old. Robin Hood  (talk) 05:48, 10 April 2014 (GMT)
Still happening on random pages e.g. Skyrim:Reanimate_(spells), Skyrim:Dungeon_Delving_(Jarl_-_Caves) (no Helm of Winterhold thumbnail). Running Chrome here, but (hopefully) not a problem at the user end.--Lmstearn (talk) 00:56, 12 April 2014 (GMT)
Did someone fix it? The above pages are working now. Logged out/in at the time of the previous message- surely that's not anything to do with it.--Lmstearn (talk) 05:13, 12 April 2014 (GMT)

() Someone else mentioned seeing them randomly get fixed, so this may be something intermittent. Whatever it is, it's perplexing both Dave and I. If nothing else, the update to MediaWiki 1.22 will probably resolve, or at least shed more light on, the issue because they've reworked some of the code that's involved with this issue. Robin Hood  (talk) 05:57, 12 April 2014 (GMT)

Maybe something to do with caching, I have yet to actually see one of these as broken, whether thats because they get fixed before I get online I don't know. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 10:59, 12 April 2014 (GMT)
This on (File:SurveyResult_Advertising.png) has never displayed for me or legoless since it was uploaded. It may be related. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 21:26, 13 April 2014 (GMT)
So, I spent probably close to an hour trying various things, then I asked in the MediaWiki Dev chatroom and someone solved it for me in a couple of minutes. It's not the wiki that's doing that, it's your ad blocker. Mine's doing it in Chrome as well, but when I use Firefox, everything shows up fine. Robin Hood  (talk) 01:47, 14 April 2014 (GMT)
As simple as that? So any file with 'Advertising' gets blocked by adblockers? Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 01:52, 14 April 2014 (GMT)
At least some of them, yeah. I don't know if they're all that simplistic. Moving the file fixed the issue for me. Anyone else having any problems? Robin Hood  (talk) 02:01, 14 April 2014 (GMT)

Whatever is causing this, each instance is fixed easily by purging the cache for that page. I spent a couple hours last night purging a few hundred pages with the error (they were easy to find because the error has been around a while and was cached on Google and therefore searchable). The majority were in Skyrim pages. with a lesser amount in Oblivion and Morrowind. And a few in Lore and Online, and about two each in Arena and Daggerfall. Not that the distribution means anything. The error message looks like something was done wrong with an update or install to the thumbnailing software; something was in a different folder than it was before, but it looked for the old one. But I could be completely wrong about that. Far as know, it shouldn't be a continuous problem. We're not seeing it show up with new thumbnails, we were simply noticing it on ones that were already broken. I'm pretty sure I got every single one that was left, but if there's anymore, a simple purge should do it. I hope that helps. –-Mjr162006 (talk) 12:27, 17 April 2014 (GMT)

Wow, thanks for doing all that, Mjr! It never even occurred to me to comb through our site for them on Google. I think a couple of people reported what appeared to be new instances, but now that you've purged them all, let's see if they continue to pop up or not. Doing another search on Google in a week or so should be a good indicator of whether there's anything new. Robin Hood  (talk) 14:59, 17 April 2014 (GMT)
New instance on Oblivion Houses Redesign Project. Thumbnails were fine, then I refreshed the page and they disappeared. Related? Will purge the page, but thought I'd mention it. --Beezer1029 (talk) 16:19, 17 April 2014 (GMT)
Thanks. That would appear to confirm that it's still happening. Were you on a regular server or a mobile one at the time? Robin Hood  (talk) 17:11, 17 April 2014 (GMT)
Regular server. A few of the OB houses were affected as well as I was going through them. --Beezer1029 (talk) 17:34, 17 April 2014 (GMT)
Darned if I can reproduce it. This may be something we just have to live with until we upgrade to 1.22, which has a total rewrite of the relevant section of the code. Robin Hood  (talk) 19:46, 17 April 2014 (GMT)
Is there some way to purge the entire system. Sokoro reported that images on SR:Specialty Gear were not creating, but despite both being on Firefox, both restarting our browsers and both bypassing cache to refresh, I could not get the images to disappear while he could not get them to appear. With pages being fixed and then unfixed it appears to me that someone who has the pages cached is breaking thumbnails unintentionally with their bad cache. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 15:05, 19 April 2014 (GMT)

() If you were both looking at them at the same time, then that very strongly suggests the cache, as you say. I've asked Dave to restart memcached, since I don't have permission to do so, myself. If that ends up not working, then yes, we can force the wiki to regenerate all thumbnails, though I'd imagine that'll put a bit of a load on our servers for a while. Robin Hood  (talk) 15:41, 19 April 2014 (GMT)

Something that I noticed when creating all the ESO place pages - If I was on one of the list pages with all the Place Links on it, and I created or edited one of the individual place pages, if I remembered to Purge the page before going back to the list page, it was fine. But if I omitted that step, the list page had broken links for everything that needed #loading, and nothing would fix it short of going back to the page, Purging it, and then also Purging the list page. So it's possible EditorA edited an article page, and then EditorB looked at the list page before EditorA had a chance to Purge the article, but then EditorA did eventually Purge the article and went back to the list. So for EditorA, there appears to be no problem, but EditorB, since he never Purged and visited the list page while it was in an un-purged state, now has a cached version of the page with broken links. I think this might explain a lot of the inconsistency. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 16:30, 19 April 2014 (GMT)
Dave just restarted memcached, so let's see what that does. As for the #load issue, while that could cause its own problems, I don't see a way for that to cause the ulimit4.sh error. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:41, 19 April 2014 (GMT)
I think we have our first solid lead on this. Moinante noticed that he got sent to skins2.uesp.net when clicking on a file link instead of staying on www.uesp.net as expected. I don't know for sure why that would happen, and I've written to Dave about it, but quite clearly, if anything forces the page to re-generate thumbnails while on skins2, it causes the now-infamous ulimit4.sh error we've been seeing to appear on www. So, if you happen to notice yourself getting sent to skins2 unexpectedly, please fix the URL to www and if things don't look right, please purge the page. Robin Hood  (talk) 23:33, 19 April 2014 (GMT)
I'm not sure if this will help, but in perhaps the last 30% or so of the pages on the Google Search when I was fixing as many as I could find the other night, there were quite a few results that were in the skins2 domain. Not sure what that meant, I tried purging it, and nothing happened. I then did what you just suggested and changed it to www instead and purged that page and it worked. Somehow Google's crawlers are getting sent to the skin2 domain with some pages that had this issue. I'm not sure why, or if it's even relevant or helpful, but I figured I'd just mention it just in case.--Mjr162006 (talk) 12:43, 20 April 2014 (GMT)
As a workaround, Dave has installed ImageMagick on the server that hosts skins2.uesp.net (meaning that any thumbnails needed can actually be created now, even if you get sent to skins2). In theory, that should at least prevent any further errors, though as always, refreshing old ones may still be necessary. It doesn't really tell us why the problem is happening in the first place, but Dave's looking into that. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:22, 20 April 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Block needed

For this IP due to spambot-like nonsense posts please. --Nocte|Chat|Look 10:28, 1 April 2014 (GMT)

Just to follow up here as well, Dave got this a few hours ago. Robin Hood  (talk) 13:22, 1 April 2014 (GMT)
Not sure if this needs a new section, but [1] needs a block. Also, I suggest including "Tramadol" in the spam filter, seems to be in each of this user's edits. •WoahBro►talk 20:36, 4 April 2014 (GMT)
I gave it six hours while we wait on an admin to attend to it, because that IP was rather prolific and did several edits in a row. -damon  talkcontribs 20:45, 4 April 2014 (GMT)
TRL got it, thanks Damon! •WoahBro►talk 20:47, 4 April 2014 (GMT)
I just added Tramadol to the filter as well. Robin Hood  (talk) 21:13, 4 April 2014 (GMT)

[edit] ESO Data from uespLog

I've been trying very hard not to play ESO all day and work on getting the data parser and viewer for all the data being collected by the uespLog addon. The first version working is now up at:

ESO Log Viewer

Note that only books have been parsed at the moment and the interface is just enough to get it working. I've been focusing on getting all the general design/programming done and adding more types will hopefully be added soon relatively quickly. I'll make it look pretty later.

A question for those more familiar with CSList and adding wiki content: What output format(s) would you like this tool to have? I have CSList can output things in a wiki format (I think...I'll have to take a closer look at it). I assume part of the purpose for the tool is to easily mass import data from the log viewer into the wiki and having it output in a wiki format I assume would be desirable. Example work flows of how people use CSList and how they would like to use the ESO log viewer would be helpful along with anything else you can think of. -- Daveh (talk) 01:55, 9 April 2014 (GMT)

For the bot, I'd rather work with raw data and take care of the wiki formatting myself so that it's easily changed if we need to. So I'm fine with any common format, with CSV probably being the easiest. If it needs to support structured data later on, JSON or XML are also good, with JSON being my preference. Robin Hood  (talk) 14:11, 9 April 2014 (GMT)

[edit] 96.49.236.201 - a longer block, perhaps?

May I toss out the suggestion that a month doesn't seem adequate in my opinion, judging from this user's recent behaviour? He came into IRC earlier asking how he can get around his wiki block, then he became hostile when Nocte (at my suggestion) booted him from the IRC for attempting to evade his block. Then, when I botched banning him in IRC, he simply returned and began a lovely string of aggression and name-calling. So, I see conspiracy to evade his wiki ban, evasion of his IRC ban, and etiquette violations for his insults and threats in IRC, not to mention the trouble he caused the last few days leading up to his wiki ban. This one is definitely a troublemaker. -damon  talkcontribs 06:11, 9 April 2014 (GMT)

Also, can we put a semi-protect on their talk page? A quick look at the history shows a rapid stream of lewd comments in response to my block. --Nocte|Chat|Look 06:16, 9 April 2014 (GMT)
I extended the block to one year for harassing users over IRC, but I left the ability for them to edit their talk page (in case they do wish to appeal). They haven't abused the privilege to edit their own talk page enough to warrant blocking them from it, but if things do get out of hand on their talk page, I'll change that. • JAT 06:57, 9 April 2014 (GMT)
Given that the user just removed warnings and blocks from their talk page, I propose that all editing rights for the user be revoked. --Nocte|Chat|Look 07:28, 9 April 2014 (GMT)
Yeah, I'd consider that abusing their privilege. I've temporarily changed it so they can't edit their talk page. • JAT 07:52, 9 April 2014 (GMT)
Thanks a bunch! Also HI JAK :D --Nocte|Chat|Look 08:19, 9 April 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Google plus really annoying

That google plus thing right below the search bar? It sucks.

It always loads slower than the rest of the sidebar, which moves around on the page as a result. Often, this means that instead of clicking the forum button, for example, I end up clicking "Contact Us". Instead of "Recent Changes", I click "Featured Articles". It's been grinding my gears for a while, and really makes it difficult to navigate the site the way I like to. Is there any way of getting around this (or, better yet, actually fixing the issue)? Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 19:24, 9 April 2014 (GMT)

When it was first implemented, I asked Jak Atackka how to remove it, and he told me that if you add #p-googleplus { display:none; } to your common.css page, it will hide the G+ button for you. -damon  talkcontribs 19:50, 9 April 2014 (GMT)
You've just made my wiki experience about 50% more enjoyable, thank you. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 20:03, 9 April 2014 (GMT)

() That annoyed me to0, so I added #p-googleplus { height: 25px; } to my css. Fixing the height stops the bar from jumping around - should we implement something like this globally? --Alfwyn (talk) 09:28, 10 April 2014 (GMT)

Fixing the height? Go for it. • JAT 09:51, 10 April 2014 (GMT)

[edit] ESO and ON randomly converting to Online

Not sure what's caused this, whether it was intentional or otherwise, but when using the search bar to search for things with ESO in their title (eg, UESP:ESO Guild, Template:ESO Alliances) the search is returning "online" instead (eg, UESP:online Guild, Template:online Alliances) and therefore not directing to the searched-for page. Similarly, some icons in the Place Link template on pages are searching for the file online-mapicon-whatever.png instead of ON-mapicon-whatever.png. The file call on the original page however is definitely correct. Thanks, Enodoc (talk) 20:42, 9 April 2014 (GMT)

Sorry, I was busy with another project today, followed by a migraine, so I'm only seeing this now. I suspect this is related to a search change Dave made a couple of weeks ago. If he doesn't get to it before then, I'll have a look at it tomorrow. Can you point out a couple of Place Links that have the problem? I tried randomly looking at a few and wasn't able to find any that were doing this. Thanks! Robin Hood  (talk) 05:43, 10 April 2014 (GMT)
Yeah I would say that search change is the cause of this. I can't actually find any Place Links with that problem any more, so maybe that part has sorted itself out. --Enodoc (talk) 08:45, 10 April 2014 (GMT)
The search thing was just a quick fix with the obvious issues. Perhaps limiting it to just replacing the first word if its "eso" or only explicit namespaces with the colon (ESO:). Although if we're going to be switching to ESO as the main namespace this is a temporary fix anyways. -- Daveh (talk) 10:21, 10 April 2014 (GMT)
Okay, I've got a fix up on content3 (I can't confine it to the development server, since dev doesn't have MWSearch installed). Can someone poke at it and see if there are any major issues with it? The way I've set it up, if you try to go to a page like "Template:Factions in ESO" by typing it into the search bar on the left-menu, you'll automatically get redirected to "Template:Factions in Online". If you do the same from the actual search page, the "ESO" part will get auto-converted to "(ESO OR Online)", which will search for either term. The new term will be displayed in the search bar, but the link will still display as expected. If there's a way to get MediaWiki/MWSearch to just consider the terms equivalent without modifying the search itself, I can't find it, so my solution is definitely still a bit of a kludge, but I think it'll get us where we want to go. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:27, 10 April 2014 (GMT)
Yeah, I would say that works. At least, I think it does what I wanted   :P   Enodoc (talk) 20:32, 10 April 2014 (GMT)
Okay, this is now implemented across all our servers (after bringing down mobile momentarily...apologies for the brief interruption of service for anyone affected). Robin Hood  (talk) 21:39, 10 April 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Image licensing

We may need to adjust the wording on our image licenses. Currently, the only license that properly describes images taken from Elder Scrolls Online is the zenimage license. The uespimage license only includes Bethesda in its wording, and ESO is NOT created by Bethesda, but by its parent company, Zenimax. We either need a new license that applies to screenshots taken from ESO, or we need to reword the "uespimage" to include Zenimax images as well. I'm hesitant to make changes to existing licenses, as it could be construed as invalidating the thousands of images already using that license. I'm no lawyer, but I feel that the current choice of licenses does not provide a means of doing this properly, so we need to put something together that handles this situation. (And yes, I'm aware that "uespimage" has a parameter for specifying the company, but you can't choose this from the dropdown list, so it's next to useless, as the majority of editors won't know about it, and even if they do, it requires an additional edit after uploading for every file.) — TheRealLurlock (talk) 11:52, 21 April 2014 (GMT)

It also defaults to Zenimax if the image starts with File:ON, so there should be very few cases where it an extra edit is needed. An extra option on the dropdown list would be an option, as its done with other templates and simply adds the parameter '|zenimax' to the end of the template. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 11:58, 21 April 2014 (GMT)

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