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Contents 1 Feedback on Previous Ideas 2 Adding Fame/Infamy points 3 Confusing descriptions 4 Zero Weight Items 5 Lectures 6 Sigil Charges 7 Generic Items Cost 8 A formal page for Safe Containers 9 Daedra Summoner Page 10 Shivering Diseases Task 11 Tamriel:Places Task 12 Daggerfall task list fixes

[edit] Feedback on Previous Ideas

(These comments relate to a previous version of the page, when it was being used somewhat differently) --Nephele 18:34, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

Hi Aristeo, i put my few cents to your list if you don't mind.

"We probally should update to the new 1.6.7. version."

Not updating imediately is no big catastrophe as there is now no huge security leak within the software. If one tries to keep up to date with all patches and updates for the software on a server, there would almost no time left to do other things (e.g. work to earn mony, taking care of the family and friends). Further more imho it would probably more accurat that after one is sure that the basics of the softwar function, explore the auxiliary features and find out why there are still some glitches. Once one has mastered the version at hand, one would be better equipped to a major update, as one knows what to do and what to avoid.

However, let someone take care of the update would not only mean giving him Administrator (i think they call it beaurocrates at the wiki world) rights, but more giving access to the sever with full rights on the wiki implementation. That's something i also would only give to someone i know at least for some years (or whose slary i pay) and whose technical qualifications let me sleep untroubled.

Sysops (sometimes called Administrators) can do things like block users, revert vandalism easily, patrol edits (make the red "!" go away), protect pages, delete pages, etc. The current administrators are Endareth, Garrett, Daveh, and Wyre. Daveh is the only Bureaucrat, which means he's the only person who can alter other people's administrative privaleges. Daveh is also the system administrator, which means that he is the one renting the server in Canada. --Aristeo 20:14, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

So a update will come when Dave finds the time for it. I see no problem running the current version still for quite a time. If you know some security issues that really endanger the site, please state them explicitely in a mail to Dave, but i know of none.

Roger and wilco. :) --Aristeo 20:14, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

"For legal reasons, we probally should draw up a copyright page. I have a copy of a very nice GPL license on my personal sandbox."

I'm not sure if you can simply put all of this site's content under the GPL as some of it is bound to Betheda's ond other's licencing. (Brand names, image content.)

"We need some kind of way to congratulate people for all the hard work that they do. I congratulate them through a simple message, but we need some kind of award system. Wikipedia uses a barnstar system."

Ah, a way to keep those with a profile neurosis (don't know if this by word translated term exists in english) motivated and working ;) it's a nice idea if a huge amount of work has to be done. I think that, among other comunity related tasks, can be put on your hands.

I've created the "Have a cookie" thing. If you see someone doing a good job, give them a cookie. You can even personalize the message of your cookie. --Aristeo 04:19, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

"Someone with administrative abilities should monitor the Recent Changes page."

Yep, one of the reasons i think you should get beaurocrate rights here.

If I we're to become a sysop, I would definatly be patrolling the recent changes. That's Daveh's decision, of course. --Aristeo 20:14, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

Generally i fully understand that, if there is someone which is capable and has the time and the enthusiasm to bring a site and it's community forward, it can be somehow frustrating not getting imidiate response (I myself am not a very patient person as i wrote before somewhere else). But that one should keep in mind that it's more productive to keep up a constant level of energy for a project, than to burn it away in short time.

Well said. I admit, I probally should be a little more patient. Thanks for the reality check. --Aristeo 20:14, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

So be patient and keep up your good work, give the UESP crew time to know and trust you, prove that your dedication will last even when the Oblivion hype has passed and your time will come. -- The Nerevarine 19:25, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

Thanks, bro --Aristeo 20:14, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Adding Fame/Infamy points

I'm still a UESP wiki rookie, but I really want to help out, and I figured since the Fame and Infamy points are already summmarized in their own lists on the wiki, it should be easy in my limited editing knowledge to just tag that info on to each of the quests they're related to. My question then, is:

• Where should the information go?

I had thought, maybe it should go at the top of each quest page directly beneath the Reward: part, so for example it would look something like:

• Reward: 50 000 gold and some superbly fabulous loot
• Fame/Infamy: Fame +1

Problem is, as mentioned, I'm a rookie, and either don't have permission to mess around with the template that lists that information, or I simply just do not know enough about how to do it.

Thoughts about placement/teaching me some new skills? --CharmSpell 19:18, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for volunteering to take this on :)

So far, the information about fame/infamy has been added to the reward info (e.g., Oblivion:Amelion's Debt, Oblivion:Accidents Happen). But I can see that having a separate line just for fame/infamy could make sense. For example, some people would not see an infamy point as a "reward".

For those quests where the fame/infamy is less straightforward, it will probably be necessary to somehow just summarize the possibilities at the top of the page, and then add full details in the detailed walkthrough somewhere. For example in Oblivion:The Wayward Knight where you can gain fame or infamy, the full details probably belong in the Reward section of the page.

I'd be happy to modify the template for you. Given that it's a somewhat ugly template (Template:Quest Header), it's probably easier for me to just do it than starting you off by learning obscure details of template syntax ;). So by the time you read this, you should be able to set up your example as:

|Reward=50 000 gold and some superbly fabulous loot
|Fame=Fame +1

For simplicity, the tag "Fame=" will be used for fame, infamy, or any combination of the two. Does that sound like it will work? --Nephele^Talk 20:24, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

Woo! Thanks for the tips/code! I will begin whittling away. At a glance it appears that the Fighter's Guild quests seem well documented with the fame points, as you've indicated. I brought this up based on having recently minorly edited A Brush with Death where the fame point given is not mentioned on the quest page at all. --CharmSpell 21:20, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

rezeoth: this is a good idea to do this.even though i am a rookie at uesp i am an experianced player at oblivion and my player side is says we should do this for all the evil and helpful players of the game :-)

It's already been done. If you find an Oblivion quest that doesn't mention fame it probably means there's no fame reward. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 01:21, 5 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Confusing descriptions

Some of the descriptions of the tasks can be confusing. For example, the one that has to do with plugins and lists of their own quests. I think I may be able to do a list of the Knights of the Nine quests, but the description isn't good enough for someone like me to try and work on it and think they are doing it right. In fact, most of the tasks are similar and consist of 1-3 sentence descriptions. CRACK-A-BACK 06:33, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

I've deleted the task you mentioned because I don't think it's something that needs to be done; most of the plugins only consist of a single quest, and the Knights of the Nine quests are already all listed Oblivion:Knights of the Nine#Quests. If you'd like more information on one of the other tasks, just ask. But it's hard to anticipate all the possible questions an editor might possibly have about a task, and if I were to spend the time trying to anticipate all the questions, I could probably just complete the task myself more quickly in many cases. Or else, just start doing a task however it seems to you that it needs to be done; if anyone has feedback, they'll let you know. That's the way most editing on the wiki works. --Nephele^Talk 11:51, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Zero Weight Items

Okay, I have a question about this zero weight category business. What do we do about items that are weightless, but do not have their own page? The Clothing page, for example, has tons of these. Should I just put the whole page under the category? --Eshe 01:35, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

Hmm... my guess is that the editor who asked for the zero-weight category was probably primarily interested in items that you would want to reverse-pickpocket onto people. In which case, the items listed on the Clothing page probably are a relatively high priority, and being able to see them individually listed would probably be useful for some people (i.e., to be able to tell at a glance that there are only two zero-weight hoods available). So if you want to really be thorough, the way to do it would be to create redirect pages for any items that need to be categorized. That would mean:

• On the clothing page, put {{Linkable Entry|...}} around any items you're going to need to categorize (see how the King of Worms' Robes are done right now on the page for an example)
• Create a new page with that name, e.g., Oblivion:Black Hood.
• Fill in the page analogously to one of the existing redirect pages, say Black Hand Hood.
• Add the zero weight category, save, and voila!

--Nephele^Talk 02:26, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

I've put the {{Linkable Entry|...}} tags on and done Wrist Irons. You wouldn't believe how bored I am at work! --Rpeh^Talk 10:48, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

I have just found another zero weight item it doesn't really serve any purpose but it is a zero weight item never the less. it is the Oar value 0 weight 0 I know this is low priority but I still wanted to get it out there.--Most Honored Listener 15:39, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

Sweet, thanks. I'll get on that soon...you wouldn't believe how bored I am without a job ;) ! --Eshe 16:49, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

Right, so, one other thing. It seems that whenever I add something to the category, it all wants to go under "O". How do I make it not do that? --Eshe 17:31, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

That's what the {{PAGENAME}} bit of funny business does for you. UESPWiki:Categories provides a bit of info. But basically in a category tag, like [[Category:category_name|label]], the "label" part says what name to use to alphabetize the page when it's listed on the category page. If you paste in {{PAGENAME}} for the label (or if you paste that in anywhere on a page in fact), the wiki internally replaces {{PAGENAME}} with the article's name (without the namespace). --Nephele^Talk 17:52, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

Alright, I think I've got it all sorted out so far. Now, what do I do about things like keys, notes, scrolls, etc.? These probably aren't things you'd want to reverse pickpocket onto someone, but for the sake of completeness I think they should be included (unless it's crazy to even try). If I recall correctly, most keys are weightless but a select few are not. I'm not sure about scrolls or notes, I just used them as examples. Any thoughts? --Eshe 21:49, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

I think trying to list individual keys, notes and/or scrolls is a bit of overkill ;) We don't even have weights for those items listed on their pages. But to satisfy everyone's curiosity, I scanned through the construction set. Standard scrolls all weigh 0.1. There are a few notes that weigh 0, but not the majority. Keys are a different story. Almost all keys are weightless; I think I counted 8 exceptions, all of which are 0.1. I'd say you could just categorize the whole keys page. Or you could add some information at the top of the category page saying that there are a few other items such as notes and scrolls that are zero-weight but haven't been listed. Much, much easier than trying to list each one, and much, much less likely to drive you crazy in the process. --Nephele^Talk 22:28, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

That's exactly what I was thinking about doing. There was no way I was gonna list every individual key. I swear I'm not that crazy! I would check this stuff myself, but I'm on a PS3 and I don't have access to the contstruction set...unless you can use it without having the PC version of the game, in which case I'm a liar :). --Eshe 22:37, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Lectures

I have noticed for a while that adding the arcane university lectures has been on the list for quite some time I was attempting to do this. Now I fail to see how it could serve any purpose other than to add content to the page so should it be reworded as such?--Most Honored Listener 21:04, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

There's already a page with the text on here, but it's not linked from anywhere and doesn't really stand well on its own. TheRealLurlock's suggestion about merging it into the Magical Stones page has merit, and if it was made a linkable entry, a link from the Arcane University page would complete it. I think. --Rpeh^Talk 09:50, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Sigil Charges

I just finished those, so someone should take them off of the task list. Someone may also want to double check some of them also. --Vesna 14:04

[edit] Generic Items Cost

Just finished those too, so someone might also want to take those off. I only did the base cost of the items, though. If there are other columns that need to be done, someone else will have to do that. So if there is nothing else, someone could take it off of the task list. Vesna 8:40 29 July 2007

[edit] A formal page for Safe Containers

I was thinking that it would probably be useful if there was a page for all of the non respawning containers in Oblivion and Shivering Isles. Please leave feed back.--Daedra Lord 01:33, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Difficult, pointless and impractical. There are many, many, many non-respawning containers all over Oblivion and Shivering Isles. A page that details every single free-container-protected-by-a-hard-lock-that-can-be-found-in-a-storeroom-amongst-of-dozen-other-unsafe-containers-hidden-behind-a-pillar-in-a-secret-room-in-the-fifth-level-of-a-ruined -fortress-that-may-be-safe-for-storage is just going overboard. The current list of housing and free housing in the Containers page is more than enough. --Saruuk 02:05, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

First of All I wouldn't call it "Pointless" and and I don't think there is a single container that is non respawning out side of city buildings. Further more every single link in the containers page all go to Oblivion:Houses, and do you really need to be so crude with your comments a simple link would probably suffice--Daedra Lord 02:38, 29 August 2007 (EDT).

It wasn't meant to be offensive, but perhaps I'll just shed some light on the sheer scale of such a task. There is a container called SackClutterMiddle01. There are one thousand and forty seven instances of this container in Oblivion and Shivering Isles. There is a container called SackOpenClutterMiddleGrain01. There are five hundred and fourteen instances of that container. There is a contained called DUN0Crate01. There two hundred and forty seven instances of this container. If you listed the 5 most common non respawning containers there would be two thousand eight hundred and three locations listed. Do you see how absurdly large this list would be now? --Saruuk 02:57, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

I agree with Saruuk in that a separate page would be a tad excessive. If somebody finds, for instance, that a crate on a harbor miles from anywhere is safe then they can (and should) add it to the list on Containers, as it's likely to be useful to people wanting a drop-off point away from cities. Knowing that the third draw from the left on the second floor of somebody's house in the Elven Gardens District is safe, on the other hand, is information that is unlikely to generate mass interest. --Rpeh^Talk 06:22, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Daedra Summoner Page

I have noticed on the "Wanted Pages" list that the number 1 wanted page is "Daedra Summoner". I have put some thought into it and perhaps it would be a useful page. I cannot help out as I do not own Daggerfall. Maybe we could create this page and solve the 22 links that are linked to it.

There are a lot of Daggerfall pages missing simply because not many people have that game or still play it. Timmeh is heading an effort to try to improve the Daggerfall namespace but it's lilkely to take time. In the meantime it's probably better that it remains a red link rather than a tiny stub. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 04:21, 4 February 2008 (EST)

Ok thanks. I was just wondering. Is there anything that you want me to "create" that is related to Tamriel, Morrowind or Oblivion? --Matthewest 04:32, 4 February 2008 (EST)

You can see the list of pages that need to be created here - just pick something from one of the namespaces that interests you. To be honest though, if you can't fill in things like IDs and other necessary information you're best off not creating the page as it just means another editor is going to have to come and do it all anyway. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 04:50, 4 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Shivering Diseases Task

One task on the Shivering Isles Task List has been for a page listing all Diseases in the Shivering Isles. I think this is unecessary, as there are only three diseases added. All of them are diseases carried by Scalons and they are already listed on that page. More, they actually act as a single disease. They show a leveled list pattern, meaning that the three diseases have the same effect but with varying magnitudes. --Timenn < talk > 11:31, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Tamriel:Places Task

I have finished the provinces, but I'm wondering if I should proceed. For example, this page contains plenty of places not on Tamriel:Places A. Are these incorrect, or were they just not added?-Puddle 23:04, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

In short, yes, those places are correct and in my opinion all need to be added to the wiki pages.

Nobody has ever gone through the geography pages from the old UESP site and transferred that information over to the wiki; nearly all the other pages from the old site were copied over to the wiki back in the first few months of the wiki's existence. Many of the places on the old site are missing from the current pages because the new pages have primarily been compiled from Morrowind and Oblivion; the old site primarily has places that appeared in the older games. For example, some of the missing places are shown on the Arena map of Tamriel (and generally are also shown on the updated Tamriel map).

I think we should make sure all of that information is available in some form on the wiki. Readers shouldn't have to pull up sections of the old site in order to get complete information. Places that are missing can just be copied verbatim. Places that are present on both versions should ideally be checked, and any missing information merged into the wiki article.

As for where the information belongs, my impression is that most of the places listed on the old geography pages are ones that belong on the Tamriel pages. Places shown on the large scale maps of Tamriel are presumably places similar in size to cities such as Balmora or Skingrad; they're also places that curious Oblivion players might try to look up after seeing the maps in the Pocket Guide to the Empire. The old site's pages are definitely not listings of every single insignificant place that appeared in the older games. For example, see the lists of places that are just starting to be compiled for Daggerfall (e.g., Daggerfall:Store/Item_Locations). Or see the higher resolution Arena maps available on TIL's pages (e.g., Sumerset Isle). Even if there are one or two minor places, those details can be fixed later. Just getting the information copied over to the wiki is the critical first step that will then allow other editors to refine or rearrange the information. --Nephele^Talk 00:17, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Okay, looks like I better clear my UESPWiki calendar for a while, I'll be quite busy on this.-Puddle

[edit] Daggerfall task list fixes

Hello, unfortunately I'm not a member of the community, but have been dealing with a problem I noticed being up on your UESPWiki:Task_List, requested to be fixed. I have now updated Daggerfall:Running under Windows with the method with what I feel is the least cumbersome for those lacking in computer knowledge. Please check it out and fix wherever I failed to conform to your standards. Cheers, Aris from Finland 89.27.16.169 10:38, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Some major rewrites during these couple of days, i believe it's complete and propably won't spend any more time on this. Have fun :) 89.27.16.169 04:28, 4 June 2008 (EDT)