User talk:Aliana

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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Your Edits 3 Tip of the Day 4 Boo!

[edit] Welcome

Hello Aliana! Welcome to the wiki. I hope you enjoy using the site and find the information on it useful. If you decide you want to help improve any of our pages, we're always welcoming to new editors so feel free. You might want to look at our Getting Started page for some tips on how to begin, then play in our Sandbox for a while to practice. If you need any help or advice, please ask one of our mentors. Enjoy! --- Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 13:52, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Your Edits

Let me begin by thanking you for the work you've been putting in to improve the site. You've made some valuable contributions, and the site is better for them.

The problem is that one constant theme with your edits is that you have a habit of making a change and then challenging other people to prove you wrong. That's the wrong way to go about editing the site. Making a change is fine, but please don't react with such hostility if it gets reverted. If it turns out to be controversial, explain how you tested it on the article's talk page. Many of the pages you have been changing have remained untouched in months, so to see a new editor coming in and basically rewriting them without explaining why is going to cause a lot of other editors to be distrustful. Nobody is going to claim that the wiki is 100 accurate, but on the other hand, nobody else has had a problem with the information. Coming up with more... restrained edit summaries would help too.

I hope you become a productive, and helpful editor to the site. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 10:17, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Understood, and thanks, but it's frustrating to see two pages where one explains what actually happens in a specific case and the other has a wild and incorrect extrapolation of that to a general rule and even contradicts the original statement, and then have some admin just do a knee-jerk revert without even bothering to read the page with the explanation on it - which I even linked for him so he all he had to do was click on it. There's not much I can do if someone doesn't WANT to look at the "supporting" information or chooses to ignore it, even when it's been on the site for http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Oblivion:Speed&diff=328905&oldid=8360 two and a half years already, let alone if it's something I just discovered a few days ago that challenges long-held beliefs, especially since I'm new here as you say.

I'll admit I've been a bit... blunt at times in the past, but exactly which summaries http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aliana do you have a problem with recently? You pointed out they were tactless, I made an effort to be more careful with them. I don't see "OMG U NOOB LOL" on that change: which by the way was made AFTER the explanation. Supporting the other admins is fine, but his attitude is that once someone says something, even if it's wrong, only an admin is allowed to change it. If that's how you want to run the place I'm fine with that (seriously, not sarcastically) - I'll just keep my stuff on the Talk pages and let someone else move it over to the main pages when they get round to it.

The hostile response wasn't to the revert, it was to the arrogant comment attached to it ( which, yes, shoe on other foot etc. I get it. :) ) after I'd gone to the trouble of digging into it and the real reason the spell works was long since available to anyone who actually looked: he didn't, and just insisted he was right anyway. There's nothing personal to it though: I'm sure we'll both do better next time.

Let me elaborate further on why your edit to Oblivion:Useful Spells was reverted. You probably wouldn't have found that particular spell if I hadn't given you the link to it. I gave that link to show you a statement that already existed on the site about the subject that was under discussion. Policy in such a case is to wait with making edits like that until consensus is reached. --Timenn < talk > 06:01, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

I don't see how "how I found it" is in any way relevant, but no matter. The revert was just "unlucky" timing: you saw the change to the spells page before the link to the Speed page, and did what was right for the knowledge you had at the time. Nobody's blaming you for that. We all have all the information now, so just undo the revert once you're comfortable you understand exactly what's going on, and we'll close the book on this.Aliana 20:43, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

To make it complete, the full effects of Speed on detection should still be tested. For now, this should do. As for the way you found it; it was a link I provided not so you could edit the page right away, but as something to think on first. So yes, it was mostly unfortunate timing, but I'm OK with the current change. --Timenn < talk > 05:32, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Tip of the Day

I saw your request for help on the Mace of Molag Bal page. Take a look at this. The NewLeft tag, along with its friends NewRight and NewLine do what you're looking for. Hope that helps! –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 00:45, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks - the "Formatting" page doesn't cover those

[edit] Boo!

Hey, I was patrolling and I see you've been editing a bunch. I haven't looked at many of your edits, but keep up the (hopefully) good work. --Timmeh ^Talk 22:36, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. It's mostly just out-of-date comments that I'm bringing current - things from before even the first patch and random wild guesses that people made when nobody knew anything about how the game worked, that have just stayed around forever because they've been around forever and nobody dares tell the emperor he has no clothes. It's a lot easier to see the inconsistencies when you're a fresh pair of eyes than when you've got two years of preconceptions. I'm quite proud of "solving" how Sneak and Chameleon REALLY work though - that was hard.  :)