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MarciaCameron[edit]

thanks I could not do block him myself.

Everscamps[edit]

I see the point that your trying to get out there but, I'd say that most people would not think of that, so I oppose that edit [1]

It's true of anything, though. What's the point? If you can cast level 100 Command spells to control a scamp, why not just summon one that will fight for you from the start? We don't document every tip, just the useful ones. rpeh •TCE 16:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
well it depends which one has a cheaper magika cost--Candc4 16:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

What is a Hot Cat??[edit]

you seem to be using one. — Unsigned comment by Candc4 (talkcontribs) on 3 June 2011

As the link says, it's a gadget for quickly adding/removing/changing categories from pages. If you want to use it yourself, you will find it under your Preferences link under the Gadgets tab. It's very useful. rpeh •TCE 16:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

A few images and some thoughts[edit]

Hey rpeh! I am currently trying to crawl my way through the complex NPCs living in The Howling Halls, and even if I not even close to finish the pages, I thought I’d give you a few requests for images, if not for anything else, then to make my wip look better – and more motivating! First up, I think the square images looks okay, if not spectacular; maybe new ones, but I’ll leave that decision to you. Next, I have been thinking abit about Ciirta’s unfinished and very destructive paintings – can you look them up in the CS and decide if they are relevant for? Finally, a request for a few action shots;

  • Ciirta fighting Ra'kheran (focus on Ciirta)
  • Same image again, with focus on Ra'kheran.
  • An image of Ra'kheran talking to his similar minded Apostles, handing over the daggers and all that.
  • An image of Ra'kheran and the three Apostles confronting Ciirta.

Another question pops to mind; should we add the dialogue options to the Apostle page? As always, absolutely no rush – and thanks in advance! Sandbox for Ciirta here and finished page for Ra’kheran here.

Ran into quite bit of interesting lore, by the way – you probably know this (but I didn't), but I thought it was funny knowledge; Howling Halls is the very place where Pelagius died, and it was rebuild in the Isles stone by stone. --Krusty 17:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, here are the four images:
Including the apostle dialogue is probably a good idea - it'll help flesh out the page a bit. rpeh •TCE 09:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot my friend! Now, I'll finish Ciirta and then spread these wonderful images on the two pages. I take it that Ciirta's partly self-destructive paintings didn't show anything of interest (I had a plan making a little gallery at the bottom of her page)? For the Apostle page, adding their dialogue would be great, as some of them are clearly traitors and has the dialogue to match. Others will tell the strange tale of Pelagius. Oh, and apologies for my extensive cleanup-spree with the Howling Halls maps. Hopefully, you agree about at least some of the decisions! Thanks again! --Krusty 09:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Forgot about those: File:Se11ciirtapainting01.jpg, File:Se11ciirtapainting02.jpg, File:Se11ciirtapainting03.jpg and File:Se11ciirtapainting04.jpg. Straight from the CS. rpeh •TCE 10:20, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Ah, thanks! They are great - and definitely useful - not exactly what you'd expect from a "lightbringer"! ;) --Krusty 10:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Gah, I should've seen this coming. WHEN it is time to take a new square shot of Ciirta, it definitely shouldn't be a fighting shot (we have more than enough, as you know). Maybe a shot of her surrounded by her paintings, so we can justify the small "gallery" I have in mind. :) Sorry 'bout that - but hopefully, you kept your save around - and no rush, as it will take me quite a bit of time to finish that page and get the layout right. --Krusty 13:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Done as requested. It's not perfect, but the lighting in that place is a nightmare. It's not quite right for straight shots, but if you use a torch her robe makes it far too bright. rpeh •TCE 13:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! The lighting is fine, and I reckon that that place is a nightmare; tried to Photoshop the older image a bit and her robe ended up too bright, no matter what I tried. Experienced the same with Luminary Kaz, actually. At least the Ciirta images will not be redundant "fight" images anymore. :) --Krusty 13:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

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Hey, rpeh! Thanks for helping yet another n00b become a (relatively) editor. I cannot imagine the amount of patience it must take to do this as many times as you have! Oh, and thanks for fixing my Copy/Paste fails on the Cloudrest and Archon pages.--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 09:35, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
You're the one who deserves the praise - you've done great work on the site, and I hope it continues! rpeh •TCE 10:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

A few things..[edit]

Just two really: firstly, I can't find the dialogue line for Brevi. Where did you get it from? Secondly, if you are in a screenshot mood, could you get me an exterior shot of the Sacellum Arden-Sul? Possibly after SE06 so the flame is lit. I would do it myself but I get patchy mountains in the background and I know you have RAEVWD so it would like noice. That's all :) --SerCenKing Talk 17:54, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Scenarist Guild[edit]

Hey rpeh. I was wondering if you could offer any insight into a "Scenarist Guild" mentioned in the Daggerfall Chronicles. You can see my notes (work in progress) on them here. It's taken from a confusing section of the Complete Walkthrough right before the narrative. It's based around a character called Nesmyt, who is the newest acolyte of the Mages Guild.

It seems like a simple bit of flavour to make the walkthrough seem less extract, but one part of it got me thinking: Vychamp has emasculated his children out of jealousy "over our hero's pristine helpmate." The first thing that comes to mind is that this Nesmyt is supposed to be the PC. In which case it would be a very interesting addition to Lore:Hero. But the fact of the matter is, the section is much too short to be of much use. Nesmyt is never mentioned anywhere else - the only thing Google comes back with is transcribed copies of the book which have been translated into Simplified Han Chninese. I was hoping for a second opinion before essentially making up some lore by assuming that the passage is indeed referring to the Hero of Daggerfall. If you have a copy of the book for reference, it's on page 180.

Thanks. Legoless 14:12, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have no idea. I've only played a tiny amount of Daggerfall, and I've never come across such a guild. PLRDLF might be more help. rpeh •TCE 14:15, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't actually appear in-game, or anywhere else for that matter. This is just the lore side of things, specifically about the "true" name of the Hero of Daggerfall. I suppose I'll just make the change, and if anyone has any problems it can be discussed on the relevant talkpage. Legoless 14:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't look like that's the hero's name, but I can't really tell. I think "our hero" just means he's the hero of the story in the book, not the hero of the game. rpeh •TCE 15:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
But then what does the Scenarist Guild (a.k.a. the walkthrough) have to do with him? To me it sounds like they are helping him through the main quest. The whole section seems very out-of-place. Maybe there are other dots of this over-arching storyline throughout the rest of the guide; I'll go look. Legoless 17:54, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind, halt everything. Some guy called "Bruce Nesmith" provided additional material, according to page II. Nesmith must have incorporated his name into that little story. This is similar to the situation with Scourge the Argonian from Morrowind. Just a dev character. Sorry for bothering you. Legoless 18:00, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Scroll Glitch Correction[edit]

Really? Proper English was "incomprehensible" for you? That says a lot about the administrations of gaming Wikis. Anyway, it has been rewritten for you. Before you undo a correction, check for yourself. I tested 100 different repairable items, so I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about. 67.60.26.176 19:07, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks like I was writing my comment while you were writing yours. I'm quite capable of writing and reading English, thank you. It looks like I beat you on two scores, therefore. rpeh •TCE 19:09, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

No, not really. What I rectified was proper English, and I did revise a few times before I posted it (for clarification). Don't get defensive because you didn't understand it, but I am sure many others would. As long as you keep it as-is, I could care less if your first language was Sudanese. But if having power over an anon is important to you, then, by all means, bask in the glory. 67.60.26.176 19:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I care only about having accurate, comprehensible information on this site. Your edit may well have been accurate, but it certainly wasn't comprehensible.
Let's be clear here, we're talking about this edit. Your use of brackets (or parentheses if you're American) is poor, your use of "that" to introduce a sub clause is incorrect, and the whole sentence is confusing. It's only having read your revised version that I can understand what you were trying to say. rpeh •TCE 19:26, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Xaselm Revisited[edit]

Hey Rpeh! I’m having a bit of a problem with Nanette Don’s behavior in Xaselm. To be honest, it reminds me quite a bit of Relmyna Verenim back then.

First of all, is it correct to assume that there is no food available in the entire zone, which basically means that she never eats? In my game, she just stands still when she is supposed to eat (12pm, 6pm) but if I reverse-pickpocket a poisoned apple onto her, she will eat it. She will NOT pick it up if dropped on the floor. Anything fishy?

Second, as far as I can tell she has a total of four random packages; 1 study, 1 summon skeleton, 1 alchemy and 1 wander. Problem is, based on my observations, that when the summon package kicks in (yes, she summons a skeleton), the other packages seem to break, causing her to freeze until her next “solid”cue, which is either 12pm 6pm or 12am. SerCenKing addressed the issue a long time ago here, and I really don’t understand what he is talking about – maybe you do? --Krusty 20:28, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello again! I really, really hate to be a "bumper" but I have a feeling this question drowned somewhere in the vandalism a while back. I could really use my Nanette-save (and it would be great to finish her page and get it right), so... with an embarrassed face... bump? :) --Krusty 23:11, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Wow, sorry - I never noticed this. First, no there's no food or drink in the zone. There are a few ingredients but not ones marked as food, so she'll never eat them.
The other issue... not sure. Each package has a duration of one hour, so I'd expect her to do something else an hour after doing whatever it was she did last time. On the other hand, she has a default Wander package that causes her to walk around the zone, and it might be that once that gets executed she just stays on it. At this point my knowledge runs out. rpeh •TCE 08:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Fame Accrument and Stage 0's[edit]

I can assure you that stage 0 is never set anywhere for MQ08, MQ09 and MQ15. To replicate the fact that you do not earn any fame for these quests, just play through the main quest again. Keep an eye on your fame (like I did while building the new information on the fame page). Also, when all is said and done, use the console to do a check on "GetStageDone MQ08 0", etc. It will always return false (0).

Furthermore, since I noticed these bugs, I scoured the Construction set for evidence as to why these stages are never set. Looking at MQ09 (as an example, I went through the others as well, but MQ09 is the simplest to explain), we see that nowhere is the line "setstage MQ09 0" or "setstage MQ09, 0" found (either would do the required command). This is backed up by using the Find Text (under Edit menu) feature of the construction set. I found every instance of "SetStage MQ09" and checked every one.

The only possible way for MQ09 to reach stage 0, then, is if the line that reads "SetStage MQ09, stage" inside MQ09Script if the "stage" variable is ever 0. Following the commands of the script, we find that stage only ever has a value of 50 + ghostcount (ghostcount being another variable in the MQ09Script). And ghostcount is only ever equal to 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4 (never -50 which would be required). Also, there are no other places that "MQ09.stage" or "MQ09.ghostcount" are changed (confirmed using Find Text). In other words, there is never, in any case, that the game will set the stage to 0 unless the user uses the console.

The same happens for MQ08 and MQ15, but those are somewhat more convoluted to explain. Rest assured, I approached these from every angle and ran extensive testing (I was running through the game just to see what max Fame was). I did not make edits to the wiki pages in haste. So the 5 Fame points that were supposed to be earned during these quests are unattainable without the use of the console. Again, if you don't believe me, feel free to confirm it yourself. I assume the problem arose from oversight on the part of the programmers as they were writing these quests. Jag 23:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, you'll find a setstage MQ09 0 in MQ10 stage 0, a setstage MQ10 0 in MQ11 stage 0, etc, but it looks like you might be right after all. I'll try to check, but it seems that the Find Text option didn't work so well. rpeh •TCE 11:42, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Cookie for you[edit]

you are really good at making pages and i wanted to give you a cookie


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Hello "rpeh"[edit]

Ya I just have a simple question. Are you the guy who supposedly runs this fantastic wiki? — Unsigned comment by He-who-cares (talkcontribs) on 17 June 2011

I'm one of the admins, but the site is owned by Daveh. rpeh •TCE 11:34, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh okay well I've been reading some of your comments and the way you respond to some makes "you" look like you "run" this wikiHe-who-cares 11:40, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I often offer opinions about aspects of the wiki, but that's all. rpeh •TCE 11:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Hmm okay thanks for your time He-who-cares 11:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
One last thing go to my user page and look at the word very carefully you will get it eventually thank you again. He-who-cares 12:34, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Indeed he does. --SerCenKing Talk 12:39, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
(e/c) I got it after you first made the change: decoding acrostics isn't tricky, although I appreciate you might need to look that word up in a dictionary before you understand it. And don't bother trying to annoy me with password reset requests either - I can just ignore the email and it stays the same. Now disappear off whence you came. rpeh •TCE 12:40, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

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Password reset requests? what is that? I admit to the thing in my user page but. What is that? and I know its not acrostics because the words doesn't make any sense there just random. He-who-cares 12:45, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
One more thing you cannot tell me what to do I do not need to "Disappear off whence I came from" because I have the right to think and say what I want. (Lets face it deep down in your heart you think you own this wiki) He-who-cares 12:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Grow up. rpeh •TCE 13:18, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Im just expressing my freedom and my thoughts these are your rights as well . He-who-cares 13:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
You do not have a "right" to post on this site. Editing is a privilege that can be withdrawn, and before you quote the first amendment at me, I should point out that this site is hosted in Canada. Since it appears you're only here to stir up trouble, you're likely to have that privilege taken away fairly soon. rpeh •TCE 14:49, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Some dialogue questions[edit]

Hey Rob. I know it is hell to check these things, but nevertheless - if you can take a quick look, then we have done everything we can. It concerns missing dialogue for two Bliss Argonians, Big Head and Pad-Ei:

Big Head:

  • So many forks. Not the True Fork. Only it sings. Have you the Fork for Big Head? Fork that sings? Fork that rings?
  • Pretty, pretty forks. Singing sad, sad songs. Do you hear them?

Pad-Ei

  • What do you need, Sparkles? I'm always here. Can't afford to sleep. Can't be too careful.
  • So far, so good. If this world's a dream, I'm not waking up.

I can't for the life of me trigger the lines, so if you could take a really quick look in the CS (for conditions) I'd be most grateful. How I would like to link Pad-Ei's dreaming dialogue to Kud-Ei's friend Henantier, but that is probably wishful thinking and guesswork! Still, it seems like he was supposed to have some kind of personality; his third "dreamy" bit of dialogue, Pleasant dreams., is present in-game. :)

Just when you can find the time! --Krusty 11:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't look like there's anything special about those lines - they're all standard greetings with no other conditions. It's possible that they're just being overridden by other lines - "Sing to Big Head. Sing to him." for Big Head and "Whaddya need?" for Pad-Ei. If so I'll upload the missing audio at some point. rpeh •TCE 08:51, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
You are indeed correct about the two lines that overrides the others; when the time comes, a Pad-Ei audio bit would be great - at least to show that he was intended to have some kind of personality disorder. I'll add the dialogue as notes until then. Thanks for looking into it. --Krusty 09:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Hey Rpeh! This is killing me! I’m redoing Bat gro-Orkul to get everything right and I simply can’t trigger the line: So what you're saying is you really, really need these arrows? Go ahead. Take them. What would I want them for? The only line I can trigger when asking for arrows is the I can't give you any arrows because then the armory would be empty.-thing. Problem is, I wrote his page a long time before I ever received the dialogue sheet, so it is possible to trigger, otherwise I wouldn’t have included it back then. I have tried all combinations, and I’m getting desperate. Can you see anything in the CS to help me out? --Krusty 15:04, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Let's see if I can save rpeh some time here, the only extra condition you need to meet to trigger this line seems to be having his disposition at greater then or equal to eighty points. If you do trigger this line it gives ownership of the arrows in the armory to you. Hope that helps. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 15:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Yup, that looks about right. Disposition >= 80 and staeg 90 of SE32 not done. rpeh •TCE 16:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Okay, that sounds plausible - can't test it right now (no persuasion option), but since I've heard it a long time ago I think it is good to go on the page. Funny thing, though. Even with such a disposition, he still wont hand over the arrows. Have to be a bug worth mentioning? --Krusty 18:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah. That's odd - I can't see why he wouldn't say it... rpeh •TCE 18:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Tested it as Sheogorath (with a useful Regalia) and he said the line, but didn't give me the arrows - and kicked me out of the armory. Very odd - I just received the same quest update as before. I'll tip Dlarsh about this, as it deserves a note on the quest page. --Krusty 18:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

() Well the scripting only sets the ownership of the arrows so they belong to you, his dialogue could alternatively be seen as a challenge to take his arrows away from him. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 19:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Strange Occurances in Xedilian[edit]

Hey Rpeh, Krusty and I ran into one or two odd occurances while clearing Xedilian out during A Better Mousetrap. First, it appears that the original walkthrough, as well as the Place page for the ruin, incorrectly state that there should be a fourth shaman near the Resonator at the end of the level, but both Krusty and I have encountered a regular grummite magus there instead. The second oddity is that both he and I found a dead grummite magus in the dungeon that was not listed as "Dead Grummite," it appears the thing died on its own without our interferance (mine was just beyond the first nexus of judgment, while Krusty's was the aforementioned magus found near the resonator, if that helps). We were hoping the CS could shine some light on this, but it's no rush. Take care :) Dlarsh(T,C) 17:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

There's an SE03GrummiteShaman but also a SE03GrummiteShamanNoCrystal, which is probably the one you're finding. I can't see why he'd be dead though... rpeh •TCE 09:04, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Is the "NoCrystal" variant identified in-game as a shaman as well? If so, there's something else odd about it; the creature we met was definately a magus (minor difference, but still). Thanks again for the assisst. Dlarsh(T,C) 15:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry - no. It's a leveled list that ultimately contains a Dementia Magus. rpeh •TCE 15:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

An apology.[edit]

My dear sir,

It is proposed to resume my activities on this site which were afore halted by the needless hostility and resentment between ourselves. In short, I recognise that my conduct was less than meriting admiration or even tolerance, and I therefore tender this sincere apology to you, and to all others who were offended by any action or remark I may have made.

尊敬であなたのもの,

TheEnigmaticMan

Good to have you back. rpeh •TCE 15:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Flora[edit]

Hey Rpeh! Looking through the many pages and images for flora, I realized that there seems to be no system on how we name the images; some images are called SI-Plants-[name] while others are called OB-Flora-[name] (both namespaces shifts between capital P and F). Shouldn’t it be consistent all the way through? If yes, my vote goes towards the “flora” – not “Flora” with a capital F. --Krusty 00:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Makes sense. I've not spent as much time on those ones as on places, NPCs and quests, but flora sounds like a good idea. rpeh •TCE 09:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Good. You may have noticed me going a bit 4:3-mad on the flora images (believe me, I haven't spent too much time looking at flowers either), so I'll try to do some consistent name changes, starting with the Isles; SI-flora-Name_Name2.jpg. Or is it more a job for RoBoT? --Krusty 10:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Almalexia page[edit]

I reverted the page to what it had before your changes (and made a few new changes that make it a bit more accurate). I feel that her insanity was hardly mentioned at all. A first time reader could get the impression that her insanity was a matter of opinion, when, in fact, it's the major focus of the Tribunal Main Quest. Saying that 'according to Galsa Andrano, Almalexia has become increasingly more insane' is simply not enough information. I decided to write about her insanity much how you discover it in the Main Quest. First, you speak to Galsa Andrano and get the feeling that Almalexia might be 'a bit insane', then you do a few more quests, and suddenly, you start to really realize that Almalexia totally lost it. Make changes, if you'd like, but more needed to be mentioned about her insanity.--DeaTh-ShiNoBi 11:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think your changes are necessary, but I'm not going to edit war. rpeh •TCE 12:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

An anomaly.[edit]

My dear sir,
It has been observed that following a replacement upload of the file File:OB-ingredient-Gingko Leaves.jpg, an identical image was presented in stead of that which I uploaded. The file I replaced the original with, or attempted to, is :File:TEM Ginkgo Leaves.jpg. Do you have any inclination as to what I might have done wrong?
Kindest regards,
TheEnigmaticMan Wouldst thou speak?Mine handiwork 15:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Did you Ctrl-F5 your webbrowser? You need to refresh to see the new image. --Brf 15:55, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, they are the same. I cannot conceive as to what the problem is, as I have replaced images many times without fault. --TheEnigmaticMan Wouldst thou speak?Mine handiwork 15:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I get the new image by simply refreshing - be patient. Every once in a while it takes a bit before the servers update. --Krusty 16:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Ah, je l'ai maintenant. Mes remerciements pour votre assistance, monsieur.
Amitiés,
--TheEnigmaticMan Wouldst thou speak?Mine handiwork 16:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Small request[edit]

Delete to restore on Oblivion:Spell Stacking? There's a nice little edit summary in there... Elliot (talk) 03:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. Unfortunately we can't really do this for every page - there are just too many of them. rpeh •TCE 06:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Youtube Incompatibility?[edit]

Hi. I've been trying to use youtube hyperlinks in my user boxes. It doesn't seem to agree for some reason? I have put links to other sites in other userboxes, and it has worked just fine, it is just these youtube links that seem incompatible. If you are not too busy, check my user page and you will see the problem. Thank you in advance; if not for helping, then for everything else you have done for the site :) Impius Motus 10:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

What's the problem, exactly? rpeh •TCE 10:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I should be more clear. In the last user box there is three pictures, when what there should be is two flanking pictures with text on the inside, with hyperlinks. Sorta like my user box that says This user has an account on Goodreads and DeviantArt Impius Motus 10:51, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
But that's what I see. You must be using some kind of browser extension that changes the way it works. rpeh •TCE 10:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh really? So you can see the user box that says This user mellows to Mogwai and Radio Dept? Impius Motus 10:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I can't see it either. I would say that it's Internet Explorer, but Firefox doesn't display it for me either...--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 11:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I thought you meant the other one. No idea. rpeh •TCE 11:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Okay. Thank you for your time :) Impius Motus 11:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

\=>The issue seems to be with equals sign ('=') in the links. The Userbox template is recognizing it as a special character, thus breaking the entire description parameter. It seems to me like the equals sign needs to be escaped in this circumstance (possibly with a {{equals}} template). --Timenn-<talk> 11:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I see, thank you, I will give that a try. Impius Motus 11:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
It didn't work out. Thanks anyway :) It's not a substantial issue, so I will just not link to youtube :) Impius Motus 11:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Try using a URL shortner like bit.ly rpeh •TCE 11:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Ah! Thank you very much, that works perfectly :) You are awesome Impius Motus 11:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Fictional Fact vs Fictional Fiction[edit]

I noticed you tagged a couple passages in Lore:Transportation as needed citation. I am sure those come from The Argonian Account, which is pegged as "fiction". The question is whether fictional fictional should be cited as a source for fictional fact. I brought up the same question concerning the Wild Hunt page where A Dance in Fire, by the same author, is cited. --Brf 11:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

It's a good question. In general I think almost any in-game book is okay to quote, except where it's blatant nonsense (the adventures of "Elsaf Erol" in Thief, Beggar, etc, for instance). 2920, the Last Year of the First Era is clearly part fiction, part fact, and we class Broken Diamonds as fiction, but our Lore pages would be worse off without them.
Obviously this leads to a bit of a judgement call as to what can and can't be counted as blatant nonsense, but we have to draw the line somewhere. Thanks for finding that ref, incidentally. rpeh •TCE 11:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
I've thought about this matter on the Queen Barenziah page, stating she had been empregnated by Tiber Septim, which is stated in The Real Barenziah, but I thought that was a story rather than a real biography (unless that was also mentioned in the biography book, which I didn't read). ~ Dwarfmp 12:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
I think The Real Barenziah is genuine. Consider Plitinius' words in Tribunal: "If you've read the work, you'll know that Queen Barenziah is many things--but she is not shy, and she is not ashamed of how her life was led. She knew my work to be true, and I believe she felt a sense of amusement, if not satisfaction, at the tale's telling. She protected me from the Imperial family, and spread the word of my demise at her guards' hands. Since then, I have traveled with her under this name, acting as her scribe, her advisor, and dare I say...her friend. I could ask for no greater honor." and Barenziah's own words: "Ahhh...Plitinius. He's a dear friend of mine. An author, a man of the people. He's a good source of information. These royal trappings don't allow me to get out as much as I'd like, but I can always count on Plitinius to know how the winds will change. You'll often find him wandering about in the Palace Courtyard. Get to know him, %PCName. His knowledge and judgement are unparalleled."
I doubt they'd be such good friends if he was spreading lies about her. rpeh •TCE 12:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Layout Issue[edit]

Hey Rpeh - yep, I didn't reach 10.000 edits without asking stupid questions at all times! I'm a bit annoyed by my own work here. Everything looks more or less fine, but the image seems awkward and a bit "sloppy" where it is now. Is it possible to make the image "part" of the table and more centered, like pushing it down a little and maybe add a frame around the whole thing? As always, feel more than free to tweak - I have still tons of testing to do on the page, so there's absolutely no rush. Thanks! --Krusty 10:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Much, much better! Thanks - again! :) --Krusty 11:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Another one, if you have time: here I have listed and determined the factors for Pyke and Zoe's romantic conversations, but the table is a bit clumsy as of now. Is it possible to "collapse" the table to avoid redundant dialogue (e.g. "I love you pyke" x2)? Page is otherwise ready to launch, so I hope it is possible. :) --Krusty 19:16, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I went ahead and did it since I was thinking about it last night. But the second part might be misleading. Are the top two lines always going to result in one another? Or can the four responses be for any one of them? I can throw in borders that might help. Elliot (talk) 20:28, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I had to revert the table (the new version was a bit misleading) and launched the page. If any of you can come of with a better solution, please just add it to the article. Sandbox is now empty. --Krusty 11:36, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. I can't really see any way of doing that better, to be honest. Merging the cells would make it look a little odd, I think. rpeh •TCE 13:12, 4 July 2011 (UTC)